2-man To question...

[JohnBark]

with the new change in where you stand on TOs, how are you working the 1st horn for the TO...are both officials going over to the huddle and telling them 1st horn? or is just the official who doesn't have the ball going over to both huddles and telling them 1st horn? how are you all handling that?

i worked my first 2-man last night with my usual partner. and i must say either one of us like the positioning on TOs. And we tried both ways of getting them out of the huddle last night. just wondering what the rest of the officiating world is doing with this.

thanks!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

with the new change in where you stand on TOs, how are you working the 1st horn for the TO...are both officials going over to the huddle and telling them 1st horn? or is just the official who doesn't have the ball going over to both huddles and telling them 1st horn? how are you all handling that?

i worked my first 2-man last night with my usual partner. and i must say either one of us like the positioning on TOs. And we tried both ways of getting them out of the huddle last night. just wondering what the rest of the officiating world is doing with this.

thanks!

Since I don't have my books yet, I can't say officially. In 2 person, I would think the person at the table center court should warn both teams. The team farest from the ball first. Then the next team as he's walking to get into position to restart the game. The only problem is when you're away from the bench with the ball. I think you need to stay with where the ball's going to be inbounded.

What I'm doing now is instead of saying 1st horn, I'll say 5 seconds left blue if I warned the other bench first. You must communicate your expectations of this in your pre-game conference with the captains and coaches. Then it works like a charm.

[mick]

What is the new mechanic ?
Thanks.

[SWMOzebra]

We discussed this in our last association meeting prior to the season beginning. Here's how we are handling it locally (we haven't received our FED books yet):

1. Team that called the time-out gets told "first horn" first
2. If the ball is to be put in play table-side, the official with the ball gives the warning to the team s/he is near
3. If the ball is to be put in play anywhere else besides the table-side sideline, the center official gives both teams horn warnings.

Seems to be working well so far.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mick

What is the new mechanic ?
Thanks.

It's actually reverting to a previous mechanic for where officials stand on a time out in a 2 person crew. I believe it's that the official who will administer the succeeding throw-in goes to the throw-in spot with the ball. The other official goes to the centerline midway between the table-side sideline and the circle.

[JugglingReferee]

BITS is correct.

This way was done for a year, perhaps 2, maybe 5-6 years ago??

IIRC, short TOs have the centre-line official closer to the table sideline, and full TOs have him/her closer to the opposite sideline.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

BITS is correct.

This way was done for a year, perhaps 2, maybe 5-6 years ago??

IIRC, short TOs have the centre-line official closer to the table sideline, and full TOs have him/her closer to the opposite sideline.

I forgot about that part. Thanks for the reminder.

[mick]

Bits and Jugglin',
Thanks.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

BITS is correct.

This way was done for a year, perhaps 2, maybe 5-6 years ago??

IIRC, short TOs have the centre-line official closer to the table sideline, and full TOs have him/her closer to the opposite sideline.

I'm not sure this is the way it was several years ago, but I think the way you stated it is confusing. The non-inbounding official should be at center court in front of circle, 30 second TO, table side, back of circle center court for full TO. I didn't quite get this for your discription.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm not sure this is the way it was several years ago, but I think the way you stated it is confusing. The non-inbounding official should be at center court in front of circle, 30 second TO, table side, back of circle center court for full TO. I didn't quite get this for your discription.

Try reading it more slowly next time.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm not sure this is the way it was several years ago, but I think the way you stated it is confusing. The non-inbounding official should be at center court in front of circle, 30 second TO, table side, back of circle center court for full TO. I didn't quite get this for your discription.

Jugglin' used the correct terminology. Almost everyone knew what he meant by tableside and opposite.
Try it. You'll like it.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm not sure this is the way it was several years ago, but I think the way you stated it is confusing. The non-inbounding official should be at center court in front of circle, 30 second TO, table side, back of circle center court for full TO. I didn't quite get this for your discription.

That's because I didn't write a discription. In my description, I didn't clarify where the front of the circle is, because I know of no definition that determines where the front of the circle is. Is it the R's side of the cirlce or the U's side of the circle? And why?

I did mention, however, that the non-inbounding official stands in a position according to the type of TO granted.

My text probably isn't the best for newer officials such as yourself.

[Adam]

Maybe he was confused by the metric spelling for "center."

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

metric

Damn - I thought I could go a whole day without seeing that word!

[JugglingReferee]

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention.