Pro hop Question

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are specific moves in that are legal under NBA rules that are illegal under NCAA and NFHS.

In NCAA and NFHS, the first foot down is automatically the pivot foot when the other foot touches the floor.

In the NBA, the first foot down may or may not be the pivot foot depending on where the 2nd foot touches....2nd in front of the first, the first is the pivot. The 2nd not in front of the first, either may be the pivot.

The NBA rule:

b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.

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In (d), the same NCAA/NFHS player can only pivot on the first foot down, they don't have a choice.

In (e), an NBA player may, after completing a jump stop, still pivot where the same move in the NCAA or NFHS is a travel.

Don't worry neither you or scrapper stole the show by any means.

You're C, D, and E are not in the NBA rule book. The rule book reads verbatim:

The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultaneously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.

The second count occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touches the floor simultaneously.

A player who comes to a stop on the count of one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously, may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he alights with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor.

A player who has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor it may not return until the ball is released.

A player who jumps off one foot on the count of one may land with both feet simultaneously for count two. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.

That is from the '06-'07 rule book.

It sounds to me alot like the high school and college rule book, but in more detail.

In my interpretation of the high school and college rule book you can still have a pivot on a jump stop it just depends on when you gather the ball. If you gather it while one foot is on the ground then you have to land with both simultaneously and you have no pivot. If you gather in mid-air, then you can land simultaneously and have a pivot or you can land with one foot followed by the other because, while you haven't gathered until you were in the air, you have not established a pivot foot.