NBA Charge Foul rules

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's not broke, that's my position.

Then you are in denial.

Deciding whether the player was in LGP before the player too one step prior to leaping is going to be even more difficult because you're going to have to widen your focus since they'll be farther apart.

Wrong again, we are only concerned about contact. If you are calling PC or charges correctly, you are looking for contact to the turso. No need to widen your view for that. Contact will always occur at the point of impact. If the defender, at the point of impact, just stepped into his position (TIME), AND the shooter is about to go airborne (distance) on a drive to the bucket. The impact or point of contact will not be at the turso of the defender. Very easy call to make, the play will always look like a submarine attack on the shooter.

The rule may be difficult to enforce (I'm not conceding that), but your "solution" doesn't fix anything. It makes it worse. You might solve this one play, but now you've taken half the obvious charge calls and made them razor thin margins.

Disagree, you need to explain this one.

My solution fixes quite a few things, should I list them.
1.) Player safety - both
2.) Liability for the hosts/owners - lawsuits, legal fees, insurance costs....
3.) Brings back athletic play to the defense, makes the game more enjoyable to watch, makes the game more enjoyable to play
4.) The play becomes more consistently called by the officials
5.) Increase the need for great defensive players like Bill Russell, defensive players will stand out more.
6.) One of yours, less player control fouls at the basket
7.) Protect the shooter - to name a few...

It's the same logic that leads governments to raise the speed limit. "Gee, everyone is driving 74 when the speed limit is 65. We'll just raise the limit to 75 and no one will speed." It's stupid, because people like me will just get out there and drive 84 now.

You can't legislate stupid. At some point, you need to take responsibily for your own actions. We are taking about basketball here and this example doesn't fit. A better example might be if you are approaching a stop light going 50 mph and the light is green, you see that you can safety enter the intersection. Then the Fed. comes along and says no time and distance matters when you are establishing LGP except 4-40-6. So, at the point you reach the intersection, going 50 mph, the light changes red (skipped yellow) and another vechilce is coming the other way and there's nothing you can do to avoid the collision. Then you get tagged for the violation. Using your words, you should have known that I might change the light on you and take the intersection away. Never assume the intersection is clear even though you got the green and you got there first.

I should point out that in the event the shooters foot has left the floor and is airborne and the defender then steps in to establish. By rule this is in fact too late. However, in the event that all this happens at about the same time. Half the country is going to call block and the other half is going to call charge, as proven by the video. That in itself should tell you something needs to be done here. I'm going to say this and leave it at that. Botttom line, is when I am taking to new or young and impressionable officials, I will teach them that if you are not sure, protect the shooter. I will teach them to look at the call as if it was you making that move, as if it was you going thru that intersection. If the Fed. which knows this is a problem chooses not to do anything about it, then you risk having defectors go off on their own. You risk seperating the union because bb will not be played like that in the gyms that I work. I refuse to legislate stupid. Coaches had better teach their players how to play defense because they are not getting this call from me.