Your worst game ever?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Game management or game screw-up? You tell me.

It's a game screw-up made by a person who doesn't have the necessary requirements to be an official. Ignoring a chair thrown on the court is absolutely ridiculous imo. It simply shows a complete lack of gonads. And I don't believe for a minute that ANY crew of officials would NOT know how the chair got on the floor. That's called selective blindness to avoid having to take care of bidness. It sureasaheck ain't game management.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's a game screw-up made by a person who doesn't have the necessary requirements to be an official. Ignoring a chair thrown on the court is absolutely ridiculous imo. It simply shows a complete lack of gonads. And I don't believe for a minute that ANY crew of officials would NOT know how the chair got on the floor. That's called selective blindness to avoid having to take care of bidness. It sureasaheck ain't game management.

JR, I did not ignore the chair and it was not selective blindness. It might have been more selective enforcement in which I reason since I didn't see it, how can i call it. Who am I going to enforce the TF too? The bench? I suppose I could have done this but i didn't. It never ceases to amaze me how someone who was not there wants to tell you how to do your job. Maybe the job wasn't done perfectly by officiating standards but I did bring the game to a normal conclusion without having to eject anybody. That has it's merits too!

By not handling it, I handle it by making the coach sit there and take his beating. He also looked like a fool (immature) throwing the chair on the court and not being ejected. I maybe wrong here but i am trying to force myself to not call things I don't see. Don't guess, don't anticipate, just call what you see.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

1) It never ceases to amaze me how someone who was not there wants to tell you how to do your job. Maybe the job wasn't done perfectly by officiating standards but I did bring the game to a normal conclusion without having to eject anybody. That has it's merits too!

2) By not handling it, I handle it by making the coach sit there and take his beating. He also looked like a fool (immature) throwing the chair on the court and not being ejected.

1) Wrong. I'm simply telling officials to completely ignore what you wrote. There was, and is, absolutely no merit to what you suggest. If you have to worry about ejecting somebody, then stick to rec leagues. Officiating at other levels is not for you, or for anyone else that would even dream about following your advice.

2) Wrong. By not handling it, you're telling the coach that he has carte blanche to do whatever the hell he feel likes. You're also telling the players and fans that you don't have the cojones to take care of bidness. You're the one who looked like a fool, not the coach.

[Dan_ref]

I'm glad OS is back.

JR is gonna be too distracted to make any hair jokes.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

JR is gonna be too distracted to make any hair jokes.

Here's one you should like......


Enjoy quickly. Might not last long.

[Lcubed48]

A comment on JR's note #2: I agree completely with him.
Three years ago during my first season, I passed on giving the coach a TF. I saw his action. He deserved one. I talked myself in to letting him slide because I didn't want to penalize his team with the outcome on the line. Boy, was I wrong on that one! I allowed his bad behavior to go unpunished. I haven't let that happen again. I had him once each the past seasons with no other outbreaks, but his action has been and will be included in my pregame. I just consider it another learning experience in officiating career.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

A comment on JR's note #2:
Three years ago during my first season, I passed on giving the coach a TF. I saw his action. He deserved one. I talked myself in to letting him slide because I didn't want to penalize his team with the outcome on the line. Boy, was I wrong on that one! I allowed his bad behavior to go unpunished. I haven't let that happen again. I had him once each the past seasons with no other outbreaks, but his action has been and will be included in my pregame.

Some(not all) coaches are like two year olds. They'll push you to see what they can get away with. And if they can get away with something, they ain't gonna stop. And, like some parents, there's a million excuses to be made also for allowing the two year old to get away with his nonsense without any discipline.

We aren't allowed to spank coaches anymore, but we can still make them go sit in a corner when they're bad.

[Lcubed48]

Oh for the love of corporeal punishment! My mother had her tool. It was named "The Board of Education". She was not afraid to use it either. OUCH!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

My mother had her tool.

TMI !!! How's that for subtle and mature?

[Lcubed48]

In the case of not seeing who actually threw the chair, the officials would certainly know from which bench that the chair came from - correct? Doesn't the rule book (I don't have it handy for reference) allow for a direct "T" on the bench and thereby an indirect on the head coach. What about that as a solution.
I saw an official "T" up the head coach because he heard an undesireable comment come from the bench area. It was a BV game, and I was observing after having worked the JV contest. The crew discussed it at the half. The calling official heard the remark, but he wasn't sure that the head coach said it. The head coach was the only one standing when he first looked in the direction of the bench. He had just made an OOB call that went against that team. They agreed that a T was needed, but you can't directly penalize the coach if you do not have specific knowledge. The coach was vehement that he did not make the comment - naturally.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

In the case of not seeing who actually threw the chair, the officials would certainly know from which bench that the chair came from - correct? Doesn't the rule book (I don't have it handy for reference) allow for a direct "T" on the bench and thereby an indirect on the head coach. What about that as a solution.
I saw an official "T" up the head coach because he heard an undesireable comment come from the bench area. It was a BV game, and I was observing after having worked the JV contest. The crew discussed it at the half. The calling official heard the remark, but he wasn't sure that the head coach said it. The head coach was the only one standing when he first looked in the direction of the bench. He had just made an OOB call that went against that team. They agreed that a T was needed, but you can't directly penalize the coach if you do not have specific knowledge. The coach was vehement that he did not make the comment - naturally.

In NCAA, you need to know the culprit. You can not just arbitrary give the bench a technical without knowing exactly who did what. In the case of your example, if you don't know exactly who said it, you just got to eat it. Much the same way i ate the chair. Yeah, i took a hit for it, but I disagree that it makes me look like a fool. Move on, clock got to coutdown to zero and then my job is over. Keep an eye on that bench for any further outburst, collect pay at end of game.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're the one who looked like a fool, not the coach.

I might have to disagree slightly - I think both looked bad.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Wrong. I'm simply telling officials to completely ignore what you wrote.

I already stated that in my follow-on message after every post.

There was, and is, absolutely no merit to what you suggest. If you have to worry about ejecting somebody, then stick to rec leagues. Officiating at other levels is not for you, or for anyone else that would even dream about following your advice.

I disagree. Remember, I did not see him throw the chair. Okay, a chair from the bench is out there on the floor. Is it not out the realm of possibly that a fan from the stands came down and threw the chair. Remember, just because I didn't see it doesn't mean the camera didn't see it, and it doesn't mean that the coach can't get fined afterwards. It just means he didn't get penalized for it in the game.

My decision to not add insult to injury does have merit, whether you accept it or not. Again, different story if i see him do it.

2) Wrong. By not handling it, you're telling the coach that he has carte blanche to do whatever the hell he feel likes. You're also telling the players and fans that you don't have the cojones to take care of bidness. You're the one who looked like a fool, not the coach.

I don't know how you come to the conclusion that if someone else does something stupid, it makes the referee look stupid. I did not throw a chair like I'm a immature child. That's like saying Atlanta is stupid for hiring Michael Vick to QB their team, when the person who is stupid is Vick, period.

I will engage you to the extent that I let the coach get away with one. And that's exactly it, that's your one. It's like letting your opponent have the first punch. I will be waiting the next time and i will still write his a$$ up for a chair being throw from his bench. In the NBA or NCAA or even NFHS, technical or not, he will still get a heafty fine for that act. So you see JR (aka master silly monkey) he's not getting away with anything.

I know it's difficult but try not to jump to conclusions....