Your worst game ever?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's a game screw-up made by a person who doesn't have the necessary requirements to be an official. Ignoring a chair thrown on the court is absolutely ridiculous imo. It simply shows a complete lack of gonads. And I don't believe for a minute that ANY crew of officials would NOT know how the chair got on the floor. That's called selective blindness to avoid having to take care of bidness. It sureasaheck ain't game management.

JR, I did not ignore the chair and it was not selective blindness. It might have been more selective enforcement in which I reason since I didn't see it, how can i call it. Who am I going to enforce the TF too? The bench? I suppose I could have done this but i didn't. It never ceases to amaze me how someone who was not there wants to tell you how to do your job. Maybe the job wasn't done perfectly by officiating standards but I did bring the game to a normal conclusion without having to eject anybody. That has it's merits too!

By not handling it, I handle it by making the coach sit there and take his beating. He also looked like a fool (immature) throwing the chair on the court and not being ejected. I maybe wrong here but i am trying to force myself to not call things I don't see. Don't guess, don't anticipate, just call what you see.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

1) It never ceases to amaze me how someone who was not there wants to tell you how to do your job. Maybe the job wasn't done perfectly by officiating standards but I did bring the game to a normal conclusion without having to eject anybody. That has it's merits too!

2) By not handling it, I handle it by making the coach sit there and take his beating. He also looked like a fool (immature) throwing the chair on the court and not being ejected.

1) Wrong. I'm simply telling officials to completely ignore what you wrote. There was, and is, absolutely no merit to what you suggest. If you have to worry about ejecting somebody, then stick to rec leagues. Officiating at other levels is not for you, or for anyone else that would even dream about following your advice.

2) Wrong. By not handling it, you're telling the coach that he has carte blanche to do whatever the hell he feel likes. You're also telling the players and fans that you don't have the cojones to take care of bidness. You're the one who looked like a fool, not the coach.

[Dan_ref]

I'm glad OS is back.

JR is gonna be too distracted to make any hair jokes.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This, folks, is what's known as a false dichotomy. In actuality, these "two school of thoughts" (sic) are inextricably linked.

In all fairness, Snaqs, our entire culture is based on false dichotomies. Everything in America is either/or. There's no gray area at all. How could you expect anything else from our dear friend?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

JR is gonna be too distracted to make any hair jokes.

Here's one you should like......


Enjoy quickly. Might not last long.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

In all fairness, Snaqs, our entire culture is based on false dichotomies. Everything in America is either/or. There's no gray area at all. How could you expect anything else from our dear friend?

Geeze, now that's a pretty black & white statement.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Geeze, now that's a pretty black & white statement.

Good response, Dan, considering that mature, subtle humor is never expected from you.

[Lcubed48]

A comment on JR's note #2: I agree completely with him.
Three years ago during my first season, I passed on giving the coach a TF. I saw his action. He deserved one. I talked myself in to letting him slide because I didn't want to penalize his team with the outcome on the line. Boy, was I wrong on that one! I allowed his bad behavior to go unpunished. I haven't let that happen again. I had him once each the past seasons with no other outbreaks, but his action has been and will be included in my pregame. I just consider it another learning experience in officiating career.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

A comment on JR's note #2:
Three years ago during my first season, I passed on giving the coach a TF. I saw his action. He deserved one. I talked myself in to letting him slide because I didn't want to penalize his team with the outcome on the line. Boy, was I wrong on that one! I allowed his bad behavior to go unpunished. I haven't let that happen again. I had him once each the past seasons with no other outbreaks, but his action has been and will be included in my pregame.

Some(not all) coaches are like two year olds. They'll push you to see what they can get away with. And if they can get away with something, they ain't gonna stop. And, like some parents, there's a million excuses to be made also for allowing the two year old to get away with his nonsense without any discipline.

We aren't allowed to spank coaches anymore, but we can still make them go sit in a corner when they're bad.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're the one who looked like a fool, not the coach.

I might have to disagree slightly - I think both looked bad.

[Lcubed48]

Oh for the love of corporeal punishment! My mother had her tool. It was named "The Board of Education". She was not afraid to use it either. OUCH!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Brad

Or a dog!

Yeah - but a girl dog!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

In all fairness, Snaqs, our entire culture is based on false dichotomies. Everything in America is either/or. There's no gray area at all. How could you expect anything else from our dear friend?

I was merely pointing out the logical error of the question as posed. I make no judgment on whether or not it is to be expected from the party in question.

I was going to disagree with your assertion regarding American culture, however, on the basis of the moral relativism that seems so prevalent.

However, when one looks at the polarization of opinions and how people tend to view and treat those with differing view points, I tend to agree with you.

[Lcubed48]

In the case of not seeing who actually threw the chair, the officials would certainly know from which bench that the chair came from - correct? Doesn't the rule book (I don't have it handy for reference) allow for a direct "T" on the bench and thereby an indirect on the head coach. What about that as a solution.
I saw an official "T" up the head coach because he heard an undesireable comment come from the bench area. It was a BV game, and I was observing after having worked the JV contest. The crew discussed it at the half. The calling official heard the remark, but he wasn't sure that the head coach said it. The head coach was the only one standing when he first looked in the direction of the bench. He had just made an OOB call that went against that team. They agreed that a T was needed, but you can't directly penalize the coach if you do not have specific knowledge. The coach was vehement that he did not make the comment - naturally.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Good response, Dan, considering that mature, subtle humor is never expected from you.

Tony & Mick helped me with it.