Stick 'em or not?

[The Canuck]

Perhaps it's... wait for it, my favourite word... preventative. If it doesn't stop in the last minute, we'll have players crossing the end line grabbing their opponents to foul to try to stop the clock. That'll lead to more problems.

On the other hand, it could just be an attempt to make the game more exciting for fanboys.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by The Canuck

Perhaps it's... wait for it, my favourite word... preventative. If it doesn't stop in the last minute, we'll have players crossing the end line grabbing their opponents to foul to try to stop the clock. That'll lead to more problems.

On the other hand, it could just be an attempt to make the game more exciting for fanboys.

HUH??? It DOESN'T stop in the last minute! And I haven't seen anyone cross the end line to grab the opponent!! Never in 8 years. So if it doesn't happen, it can't lead to more problems.

And how does it make it more exciting for fanboys to stop the clock after a made basket?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by The Canuck

Perhaps it's... wait for it, my favourite word... preventative. If it doesn't stop in the last minute, we'll have players crossing the end line grabbing their opponents to foul to try to stop the clock. That'll lead to more problems.

And if they do that, it's an intentional personal foul, which is 2 free throws and the ball. Iow, we already have a rule in place that is....wait for it.....preventative.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And if they do that, it's an intentional personal foul, which is 2 free throws and the ball. Iow, we already have a rule in place that is....wait for it.....preventative.

I hate to get in the middle of a good exchange of sarcasm, but if you call the intentional foul (which you would do after the defender reaches through the endline and grabs the inbounder), how is that preventative? You've assessed a penalty for the action, but you haven't prevented the action, have you?

[mbyron]

The point, I take it, is that the existence of the penalty is in itself a deterrent to the penalized act and is thus "preventative."

You're right, though, that calling a foul does not prevent that instance of the foul.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The point, I take it, is that the existence of the penalty is in itself a deterrent to the penalized act and is thus "preventative."

It's a good thing we have a rule against traveling, then, to prevent that from happening!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It's a good thing we have a rule against traveling, then, to prevent that from happening!

Freaking volleyball officials.....

OK, you tell me, Scappy......whatinthehell is preventive officiating then? Does it even exist if somebody has the option of ignoring an official's attempt at preventive officiating? According to your logic, preventive officiating can't exist.

[Adam]

JR, are you saying officiating isn't about being "preventative?"

Sorry, I'm off playing Air Force for a week, so my brain is a little slow today.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

OK, you tell me, Scappy......whatinthehell is preventive officiating then? Does it even exist if somebody has the option of ignoring an official's attempt at preventive officiating?

Preventive officiating is when you prevent a player from breaking the rules.

"Clear the lane!"
"Hands off!"
"Straight up, guys!"

There are penalties that you can enforce, if a player handchecks or dislodges a player in the low post or stays in the lane for 3 seconds. But with 2 or 3 words, the player doesn't actually commit the infraction. That's preventive. You've actually prevented the infraction. Hence the name "preventive officiating". See the connection now?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I hate to get in the middle of a good exchange of sarcasm, but if you call the intentional foul (which you would do after the defender reaches through the endline and grabs the inbounder), how is that preventative? You've assessed a penalty for the action, but you haven't prevented the action, have you?

No, but if the defensive team has any brains at all, calling it has prevented them from pulling that sh!t again.