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Old Fri Jul 13, 2007, 11:45pm
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Both those are true, except neither of those happened in the OP.

The player in the OP may pivot.
We don't know what happened in the OP. The OP only said he came to a jump stop.
If he came to a jump stop per:
4-42-a
art 1: may pivot
art 2: may pivot
art 3: not pivot

My goof was refering to a definition of a jump stop in the rules when there is none.
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Old Fri Jul 13, 2007, 11:51pm
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We don't know what happened in the OP. The OP only said he came to a jump stop.
If he came to a jump stop per:
4-42-a
art 1: may pivot
art 2: may pivot
art 3: not pivot

My goof was refering to a definition of a jump stop in the rules when there is none.

"the player picks up dribble (both feet in the air)"

We sure as heck do know.
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Old Fri Jul 13, 2007, 11:56pm
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"the player picks up dribble (both feet in the air)"

We sure as heck do know.
ya but, both feet in the air means nothing....it's how he lands that determines whether art 1,2 or 3 applies. The OP only defined the landing as a "jump stop".
Am I missing something or ya just messin' with me now?
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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 12:42am
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ya but, both feet in the air means nothing....it's how he lands that determines whether art 1,2 or 3 applies. The OP only defined the landing as a "jump stop".
Am I missing something or ya just messin' with me now?
A jump stop is both feet together, or else it wouldn't be a jump stop...the difference is how many feet were on the court when they jumped.
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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 12:59am
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A jump stop is both feet together, or else it wouldn't be a jump stop...the difference is how many feet were on the court when they jumped.

You want to explain this one a little deeper?
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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 01:54am
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You want to explain this one a little deeper?
A jump stop by definition is landing with both feet at the same time.

Within the rules there are two different jump stops that are legal:

Off one foot, land on two feet and neither foot can be used as a pivot.

When the ball is secured without either foot on the floor and you land with a jump stop, either foot may be used as the pivot.
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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 02:30am
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Wow, i did not realize there would be so much confusion with the OP.

Player stops dribble after they have jumped they land - jump stop (both feet at the same time - from there I was asking wha can they do - and the answer that i no know is correct is they ARE allowed to pivot.

not sure i have seen to many plays wher a payer goes off of one foot and can't pivot. Is it just me or does this not happen very often. Can someone give a clear example?
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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 08:55am
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A jump stop by definition is landing with both feet at the same time.
And where do I find that definition?
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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 11:21pm
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A jump stop by definition is landing with both feet at the same time.


When the ball is secured without either foot on the floor and you land with a jump stop, either foot may be used as the pivot.
When the ball is secured without either foot on the floor and the player simply lands on both feet, this, to my knowledge, is not considered a jump stop. When the player with both feet off the floor catches the ball, he may land on one foot, then jump off that foot and land simultaneously on both feet, but then he may not pivot. Also, I was puzzled by your phrase: "....the difference is how many feet were on the court when they jumped." When I read "feet" on the court, I pictured two, and thought perhaps you had some explanation of how a player could jump off both feet and somehow land without a violation. The problem we have around here with the "jump stop" is that players try to jump off the one foot, but they don't want to stop. Some player will catch the ball at or very near the free throw line, hesitate, leap and land with a very distinct 1,2 count and lay the ball up, then cry when a travel is called. The problem, I understand, is that many times in this situation a travel is not called.
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