Jump stop

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by CoachP

ya but, both feet in the air means nothing....it's how he lands that determines whether art 1,2 or 3 applies. The OP only defined the landing as a "jump stop".
Am I missing something or ya just messin' with me now?

A jump stop is both feet together, or else it wouldn't be a jump stop...the difference is how many feet were on the court when they jumped.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

A jump stop is both feet together, or else it wouldn't be a jump stop...the difference is how many feet were on the court when they jumped.

You want to explain this one a little deeper?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You want to explain this one a little deeper?

A jump stop by definition is landing with both feet at the same time.

Within the rules there are two different jump stops that are legal:

Off one foot, land on two feet and neither foot can be used as a pivot.

When the ball is secured without either foot on the floor and you land with a jump stop, either foot may be used as the pivot.

[Johnny Ringo]

Wow, i did not realize there would be so much confusion with the OP.

Player stops dribble after they have jumped they land - jump stop (both feet at the same time - from there I was asking wha can they do - and the answer that i no know is correct is they ARE allowed to pivot.

not sure i have seen to many plays wher a payer goes off of one foot and can't pivot. Is it just me or does this not happen very often. Can someone give a clear example?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

1) Wow, i did not realize there would be so much confusion with the OP.
Player stops dribble after they have jumped they land - jump stop (both feet at the same time - from there I was asking what can they do - and the answer that i no know is correct is they ARE allowed to pivot.

2) not sure i have seen to many plays where a payer goes off of one foot and can't pivot. Is it just me or does this not happen very often. Can someone give a clear example?

1) The confusion might lie in people using different definitions of a "jump stop". It doesn't make any nevermind anyway from the git-go. You simply follow rule 4-44-2a. No muss, no fuss, no bother. If a player lands with both feet at the same time, then either foot can be the pivot. Rule 4-44-2a(1).

2) Again, rule 4-44-2a gives you the examples. If you land on one foot which is followed then by the other foot, the first foot to land is the pivot foot. That's rule 4-44-2a(2). You can also legally land on one foot, jump off that foot and land with both feet at the same time. In that case, there is no pivot foot. That's rule 4-44-2a(3). That's the clear example that you wanted.

That's it. Finito! That's what you call for the 3 legal landings allowed to a player who lands with the ball after being completely airborne. What they do after establishing their pivot foot, or establishing whether they can legally pivot or not, now determines any subsequent traveling call.

If you completely forget about "jump stops" per se and simply learn the rule, you should never have a problem making the correct call.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

not sure i have seen to many plays wher a payer goes off of one foot and can't pivot. Is it just me or does this not happen very often. Can someone give a clear example?

That most common jump stop is when the dribbler end the dribble as he jumps off one foot and lands on two. It happens quite often in my games.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

A jump stop by definition is landing with both feet at the same time.

And where do I find that definition?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by CoachP

And where do I find that definition?

You are kidding right?

Google the words jump stop and see for yourself.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

You are kidding right?

Google the words jump stop and see for yourself.

No, I'm not kidding.

You said: "A jump stop by definition is landing with both feet at the same time."

I'd like a link to where you find that.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CoachP

No, I'm not kidding.

You said: "A jump stop by definition is landing with both feet at the same time."

I'd like a link to where you find that.

I'm 93,45% certain that it's in the NCAA rules (to be clear, they define "jump stop" as either of the moves being discussed here, but both end with landing on both feet).

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm 93,45% certain that it's in the NCAA rules (to be clear, they define "jump stop" as either of the moves being discussed here, but both end with landing on both feet).

What's with this French decimal point thingy?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm 93,45% certain that it's in the NCAA rules

So....you're 93 and you're 45% certain, etc.? Funny - you don't look a day over 89.635.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

A jump stop by definition is landing with both feet at the same time.


When the ball is secured without either foot on the floor and you land with a jump stop, either foot may be used as the pivot.

When the ball is secured without either foot on the floor and the player simply lands on both feet, this, to my knowledge, is not considered a jump stop. When the player with both feet off the floor catches the ball, he may land on one foot, then jump off that foot and land simultaneously on both feet, but then he may not pivot. Also, I was puzzled by your phrase: "....the difference is how many feet were on the court when they jumped." When I read "feet" on the court, I pictured two, and thought perhaps you had some explanation of how a player could jump off both feet and somehow land without a violation. The problem we have around here with the "jump stop" is that players try to jump off the one foot, but they don't want to stop. Some player will catch the ball at or very near the free throw line, hesitate, leap and land with a very distinct 1,2 count and lay the ball up, then cry when a travel is called. The problem, I understand, is that many times in this situation a travel is not called.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the ball is secured without either foot on the floor and the player simply lands on both feet, this, to my knowledge, is not considered a jump stop. When the player with both feet off the floor catches the ball, he may land on one foot, then jump off that foot and land simultaneously on both feet, but then he may not pivot. Also, I was puzzled by your phrase: "....the difference is how many feet were on the court when they jumped." When I read "feet" on the court, I pictured two, and thought perhaps you had some explanation of how a player could jump off both feet and somehow land without a violation. The problem we have around here with the "jump stop" is that players try to jump off the one foot, but they don't want to stop. Some player will catch the ball at or very near the free throw line, hesitate, leap and land with a very distinct 1,2 count and lay the ball up, then cry when a travel is called. The problem, I understand, is that many times in this situation a travel is not called.

You are reading way too much into what I wrote and the situation in question.

A jump stop is coming to a stop by landing simultaneously on two feet, don't try to make it harder than that.

Now a player moving with or without the ball that catches a ball with A) one foot on the floor, may jump off that foot and land on two, but then has no pivot foot B) has neither foot on the floor may land on both feet and have a pivot C) land on one foot, jump off it and land on two, again with no pivot.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So....you're 93 and you're 45% certain, etc.? Funny - you don't look a day over 89.635.

Sorry, I was busy in my time travel adventure 45 years into the future when I wrote that post. Apparently, I will be (or is it I was?) only 45% certain of NCAA rules at that time.