First Forfeit

[Boiler14]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I bet those college coaches were wondering why you guys didn't just dispatch her.
They didn't come all that way to see her work on her coaching style.

We actually had to pass them after the game was over. One looked at us and said, "You guys tried." I thought that was a good summary of the whole ordeal.

Look, reality is this is a situation that is not very likely to happen in school ball. Too many people would get the coach out of the gym so the game can continue. AAU is its own beast. Those of you who do rec and summer league have stated that too. When teams pay to play they think the rules are different. We know they aren't and that sometimes creates the problems for these types of games.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Boiler14

We actually had to pass them after the game was over. One looked at us and said, "You guys tried." I thought that was a good summary of the whole ordeal.

Look, reality is this is a situation that is not very likely to happen in school ball. Too many people would get the coach out of the gym so the game can continue. AAU is its own beast. Those of you who do rec and summer league have stated that too. When teams pay to play they think the rules are different. We know they aren't and that sometimes creates the problems for these types of games.

I do my fair share of AAU. If an assignor doesn't like the way I handle the games they don't ask me back. Every summer I turn down more than I take.

btw, I don't agree that what amounts to "nice try" is a ringing endorsement.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Boiler14

Look, reality is this is a situation that is not very likely to happen in school ball. Too many people would get the coach out of the gym so the game can continue. AAU is its own beast. Those of you who do rec and summer league have stated that too. When teams pay to play they think the rules are different. We know they aren't and that sometimes creates the problems for these types of games.

Boiler, it's not a matter of any official being hard-azzed or anything like that. The point that some of us are trying to get across is simply trying to explain what a warning, any warning, actually is. You tell somebody that what they are doing will not be tolerated. You then explain what the consequences will be if they fail to listen to that warning. Now, if you fail to follow up with the consequences, then there was no use at all in issuing that warning in the first place. Nobody is looking for or wants to get into a coach/official confrontation. If you do get into one though, it should be handled quickly and decisively.

Just wanted to make that clear. Summer or rec league ball is no different imo when it comes to having to keep the games under control.

It's like telling your 2-year old "I really, really mean it this time". They know when you're not serious.

[blindzebra]

How much better would it have been if you did things the way the mechanics and rules tell us to do it?

Coach gets T.

You tell her she lost her right to stand and walk away.

At this point she chases you continuing to yell, at which point everyone in the gym sees a professional official and an out of control coach.

If that wasn't the second T, by the time the ball was to be put in play after the FTs, she had better be sitting...if not, calmly turn, whistle and whack.

At this point she knows she is ejected, and if she doesn't start leaving immediately, again you calmly tell the table, loud enough for her to hear, "Give me a minute and if she's still here, that's ball game."

You get away from the table and watch the players and benches, until she either complies or the minute is up.

[KingTripleJump]

After reading all of these replies, I still have one question.


What university did she play for?

[Boiler14]

Originally Posted by KingTripleJump

After reading all of these replies, I still have one question.


What university did she play for?

UCONN her freshman year. I don't know what year but I'm guessing around 10 years ago give or take a year.

[rainmaker]

Just for the record, Boiler, I think you probably did a fine job. I'm also accused of talking too much, and I"m sure I have done so in the past, but there are times when talking more than less is the right thing to do. You sound like you had a pretty clear picture of the expectations in your situation, and that you did the best you could to handle it. Your assignor is the one you needed to please, and you did. I think that's enough said right there.

[Boiler14]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Just for the record, Boiler, I think you probably did a fine job. I'm also accused of talking too much, and I"m sure I have done so in the past, but there are times when talking more than less is the right thing to do. You sound like you had a pretty clear picture of the expectations in your situation, and that you did the best you could to handle it. Your assignor is the one you needed to please, and you did. I think that's enough said right there.

Thanks for the support and to the others who thought it was handled well.

Also, thanks to those (seriously) who thought things could have been handled differently.

There are times after some games that we say, "I wish I handled that differently." This was not one of those instances, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't have been one.