Would you "T"

[Philz]

I was doing and AAU boys High School game. Coach called time out and chewed his team out using profanity and was sooooooooooo loud that easily everyone in the gym could hear him if not in the lobby too. In fact it brought the gym to silence and he continued for about the whole time out (30 sec). I didnt call a "T" neither did my partner but we looked at each other like maybe we should have done something. I never thought of calling a "T" because he was trying to motivate his team but on the other hand I think he was probably out of control. My partner told me later a parent did complain. I did "T" him later in the game for something directed toward us but had nothing to do with this.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Philz

I was doing and AAU boys High School game. Coach called time out and chewed his team out using profanity and was sooooooooooo loud that easily everyone in the gym could hear him if not in the lobby too. In fact it brought the gym to silence and he continued for about the whole time out (30 sec). I didnt call a "T" neither did my partner but we looked at each other like maybe we should have done something. I never thought of calling a "T" because he was trying to motivate his team but on the other hand I think he was probably out of control. My partner told me later a parent did complain. I did "T" him later in the game for something directed toward us but had nothing to do with this.

In a HS game, if it's as loud as you say, and it's that noticable that everybody heard it, yes. In an AAU game, I'd ask the assigner what he wants.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Philz

I was doing and AAU boys High School game. Coach called time out and chewed his team out using profanity and was sooooooooooo loud that easily everyone in the gym could hear him if not in the lobby too. In fact it brought the gym to silence and he continued for about the whole time out (30 sec). I didnt call a "T" neither did my partner but we looked at each other like maybe we should have done something. I never thought of calling a "T" because he was trying to motivate his team but on the other hand I think he was probably out of control. My partner told me later a parent did complain. I did "T" him later in the game for something directed toward us but had nothing to do with this.

Would I have T'ed the coach? In a heart beat. AAU Boys' Baseketball is conducted using NFHS rules and that is a technical foul under NFHS rules. If the tournament director or your assignor does not want to support you then you do not need the agravation of officiating their games. AND, yes I have officiated AAU boys' and girls' national championships tournaments.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Nope. It is AAU, that is their business. If the parents do not care, why should I? Even during the HS season I would be reluctant to give a T anyway. A T is not going to solve all problems.

Peace

[Boiler14]

If it is not directed toward me or my partners I'm not giving a T in HS or AAU. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, it is just not a path I want to go down.

Have you ever heard a coach "talk to their players or staff" when it is obvious it is directed toward you?

Example: Coach says to his players, "Keep blocking out, we will eventually get that call." I've made a mistake of saying something like "Coach, there wasn't a blockout there (or something similar)." Coach immediately says, "I was talking to my players, not you."

Although I know why the comment was made he was not talking to me.

This is a reason I try to live by these guidelines I learned from a vet:
Ignore comments
Answer questions
Penalize insanity

The coach is acting insane in the huddle and that is not my business IMO. If a parent wants to complain and it is a HS game I would direct her to the AD. If it is an AAU game, well, they can probably find another coach they can play for.

[Adam]

If he's on a profanity laced tirade, it's a T. The rules explicitly state that the officials can call a T on a coach who is swearing at his players.
If a coach tries the "I was talking to my players," and the situation warrants, the easy response is, "You don't actually have to talk to me for it to be unsportsmanlike."

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A T is not going to solve all problems.

A T will solve a surprising number of problems, however.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Boiler14

If it is not directed toward me or my partners I'm not giving a T in HS or AAU. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, it is just not a path I want to go down.

Well, the high schools (NFHS) have already said that you are wrong.

From a POE from a few years ago--"INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE: The committee is concerned about the use of inappropriate language by players, bench personnel, coaches, officials and spectators. Each group has a responsibility to the game and to each other to demonstrate civility and citizenship. The team huddle is not a safe haven for coaches' bad language. Players are not permitted to "let off steam" by using profanity, even if it is not directed at an opponent or official. Being angry at oneself is no excuse."

And before you script a reply, be aware that the NFHS has already answered your reply in another POE in last year's rulebook--"RULES ENFORCEMENT: Officials need to be aware that personal interpretations of the rules have a negative impact on the game. The rules are written to provide a balance between offense and defense,minimize risk to participants, promote the sound tradition of the game and promote fair play. Individual philosophies and deviations from the rules as written negatively impact the basic fundamentals and tenets of the rules."

How do I put this nicely? Hmmmmm.....I guess that I can't. When I read comments like yours above, the first thing that I say to myself is "Yup, another one that's afraid to call the T."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

A T will solve a surprising number of problems, however.

And what would those be?

Peace

[NICK]

Would I call a technical? Yup

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Boiler14

This is a reason I try to live by these guidelines I learned from a vet:

Ignore comments
Answer questions
Penalize insanity

The coach is acting insane in the huddle and that is not my business.

The highlighted portions of your post seem incongruous to me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The highlighted portions of your post seem incongruous to me.

The "ignore comments" advice is pretty funny too imo.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Philz

I was doing and AAU boys High School game. Coach called time out and chewed his team out using profanity and was sooooooooooo loud that easily everyone in the gym could hear him if not in the lobby too. In fact it brought the gym to silence and he continued for about the whole time out (30 sec). I didnt call a "T" neither did my partner but we looked at each other like maybe we should have done something. I never thought of calling a "T" because he was trying to motivate his team but on the other hand I think he was probably out of control. My partner told me later a parent did complain. I did "T" him later in the game for something directed toward us but had nothing to do with this.

Nope as long as he didnt drop the "F" Bomb or was cursing.....he can screem all he wants to his team.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Nope as long as he didnt drop the "F" Bomb or was cursing.....he can screem all he wants to his team.

Part of the story was "Coach called time out and chewed his team out using profanity".

[IREFU2]

Darn, I am still sipping on coffee......eyes stiff foggy. If he dropped the F bomb, I would stick him. But, if the curse words were like the common ones used, I would talk to him about his choise of words. Thanks for that Scrapper1!