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Old Tue Jun 05, 2007, 12:15am
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NFHS 4-3-3

"The ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower..." Which thrower:
A. The free thrower
B. The thrower in (from the sideline)
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2007, 01:29am
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NFHS 4-3-3

"The ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower..." Which thrower:
A. The free thrower
B. The thrower in (from the sideline)
It can only be the "thrower" for "throw-ins". See NFHS 4-42-1for terminology.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2007, 01:53am
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The NFHS books use "thrower" to mean either a free thrower or a player making a throw-in and you have to know from context which is appropriate.

By "thrower" in 4-3-3 the NFHS means the player making the throw-in. The initial setting of the arrow when a "free thrower" is involved is handed the ball is covered by 4-3-2.
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The NFHS books use "thrower" to mean either a free thrower or a player making a throw-in and you have to know from context which is appropriate.
You're completely wrong. NFHS rule 4-42-1 specifically defines a "thrower", and there's absolutely no mention of a "free thrower" in that definition. A "thrower" and a "free thrower" are completely different animals, and are defined as such in the NFHS rule book.

RULE 4-42-1: The THROWER is the player who attempts a THROW-IN.


Also see NFHS rules 6-1-2(b) and 6-1-2(c). Those rules differentiate between a "thrower" and a "free thrower" also.

Rule 6-1-2b: The ball becomes live when on a THROW-IN, it is at the disposal of the THROWER.

Rule 6-1-2c: The ball becomes live when on a FREE THROW, it is at the disposal of the FREE THROWER.

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The NFHS books use "thrower" to mean either a free thrower or a player making a throw-in and you have to know from context which is appropriate.
Nope.

See above.
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NFHS 4-3-3

"The ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower..." Which thrower:
A. The free thrower
B. The thrower in (from the sideline)
Great article in Referee Mag this month, read it.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2007, 01:36pm
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So, the arrow is set when it is at the disposal or either ... Right?

It you are shooting and the ball becomes live when at the free thrower. that would be when the arrow is set. If it is a throw in the ball becomes live when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower, so that is when the arrow is set. Of course a whole lot of things can happen before either of these which would change the initial setting of the arrow.
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It you are shooting and the ball becomes live when at the free thrower. that would be when the arrow is set.
No, not always. See 4--3-2.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2007, 02:39pm
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It you are shooting and the ball becomes live when at the free thrower. that would be when the arrow is set.
If you line up players for the rebound, then set the arrow when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower.

If you don't line up players for the rebound, then set the arrow when the ball is at the disposal of the inbounder after the free throws.
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Old Tue Jun 05, 2007, 06:50pm
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Tony and JR are correct on the definitions. It just seems to me that the NFHS is not always precise in what it writes, so if there are situations in the books which merely say "thrower" and not "free thrower", the meaning would still be clear from the context.

That's all that I'm saying.
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It can only be the "thrower" for "throw-ins". See NFHS 4-42-1for terminology.
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