Is there moving screen in the paint?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Camron, you are a man of many talents, and I admire your reffing abilities and you computer acumen. But I didn't know you had ESP. Next game you and I have together, we'll just sit at the coffee shop and shoot the bull, and ref from there, eh?

Panda, when contact occurred between A2 and B1, were you facing each other? Were you both moving? Where on the bodies was the contact?

Juulie, read what he wrote again and read it with a player's mind. He told us pretty much everything....just not in technical terms.

I don't claim to have ESP but we, on this board, often expect questions worded in near perfect rulebook jargon. We jump all over non-officials with reasonable, legit questions when they're phrased in laymans terms...even when it's not that hard to figure out what they're really asking. Some call them fanboys (some of them are but not all). Some belittle them. I wouldn't hurt to be a bit more tolerant and not slam the guy for not fitting the casebook question format.

[JRutledge]

Camron,

No one was slamming the guy. We just did not know what he wanted to know. We cannot tell what someone called based on where people are standing. Also no one was expecting perfect jargon either, but if he wants to understand where we are coming from, we are going to give proper language in our description. If I ask a doctor what is the cause of an illness or a condition, I do not expect them to talk only in terms that do not give the proper name for a condition or not to name the proper body parts based on what the medical profession calls them. I was perfectly willing to describe the situation with more information. Right now you are the only person that seemed to know what this person was saying. Everyone else seemed either confused or not clear what happen on the play. All I do know is that where the players are standing and that he thinks you cannot call a moving screen in the lane. Everything else is a complete guess.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Juulie, read what he wrote again and read it with a player's mind. He told us pretty much everything....just not in technical terms.

I don't claim to have ESP but we, on this board, often expect questions worded in near perfect rulebook jargon. We jump all over non-officials with reasonable, legit questions when they're phrased in laymans terms...even when it's not that hard to figure out what they're really asking. Some call them fanboys (some of them are but not all). Some belittle them. I wouldn't hurt to be a bit more tolerant and not slam the guy for not fitting the casebook question format.

Camron -- I wasn't calling him a fanboy, and I wasn't belittling him. Actually, I was trying to give him the serious attention that is due to someone who asks an honest question and expects a well-thought out answer. I was trying to poke you in the ribs a little, but that apparently fell flat, just like a lot of my other jibes that day.

I really wasn't sure what happened, and I really couldn't read into his description what had happened. That call depends entirely on who had legal guarding position, or other legal position on the floor, and I just couldn't tell. SO I was trying to elicit more details to give him a good answer.

[Camron Rust]

Agree, that neither rainmaker nor JRutledge was slamming/belittleing this particular guy but it does happen all to often here....and it was beginning to look like it was going that direction.

[Scrapper1]

Is there moving screen in the paint?

Someone with a good memory is going to have to help me out. But I'm pretty sure I remember an NCAA tournament game (might've been a conference tournament) a few years ago that had a somewhat controversial call regarding a screen in the paint. Here's the description, as well as I can remember it.

There was a 2-on-1 fast break. A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket. A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2. As A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1. The Lead official called the holding foul and there was a lot of consternation. . . until they showed the replay. And sure enough, you could see A2 holding B2 away from the play.

Anybody remember that game?

[BktBallRef]

Do you mean the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

No, I don't remember it!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

No, I don't remember it!

I need a smiley that's giving the finger!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I need a smiley that's giving the finger!!

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Do you mean the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

No, I don't remember it!

Maybe this will help...it was the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Maybe this will help...it was the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

clever response!

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

clever response!

I need a smiley that's giving the finger!!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Maybe this will help...it was the NCAA Tournament game where there was a 2-on-1 fast break, A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket, A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2, and as A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1?

Do you mean the one played with two teams and a spherical, brownish-orange ball, where one of the teams scored more points than the other?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Do you mean the one played with two teams and a spherical, brownish-orange ball, where one of the teams scored more points than the other?

That's the one!

You saw it too?

As I recall it was played in March.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Anybody remember that game?

Yeah - it was Solid State vs. Whassamatta U. Solid State finally won in the fifth chukker when Whassamattu U. surrendered its queen.

Meds - meds - my kingdom for some meds.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Is there moving screen in the paint?

Someone with a good memory is going to have to help me out. But I'm pretty sure I remember an NCAA tournament game (might've been a conference tournament) a few years ago that had a somewhat controversial call regarding a screen in the paint. Here's the description, as well as I can remember it.

There was a 2-on-1 fast break. A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket. A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2. As A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1. The Lead official called the holding foul and there was a lot of consternation. . . until they showed the replay. And sure enough, you could see A2 holding B2 away from the play.

Anybody remember that game?

See, Scrapper - you confused the hell out of everybody. A2 and B2 were to the RIGHT of A1 and A2 extended his right foot.