Is there moving screen in the paint?

[xtreme panda]

Well it unfolded like this:

A1 = shooter
A2 = Me
B1 = Defender

My teammate misses a shot and A2 and B1 go for the rebound. I come down with it and pretty much at the same time A1 gets away from his defender and is wide open right in front of me. I pass him the ball, but he fumbles with the ball before he shoots. During this process A2 is boxing out B1 because he wants to rotate off to defend A1.

[JRutledge]

What you have just described does not make the situation any clearer in my opinion. As Jurassic said, it is almost impossible to know what happen without being there. Even if you say one thing happen, the official that was on the game saw something different. Bottom line is everyone is allowed a place on the floor as long as they got their legally. At this point it is very hard to understand what really happened on this play.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Come on guys! It's not that hard to figure out what he's asking.

If B1 (the defender) is trying to get by A2 (you) to the shooter (A1), you have to set a legal screen to not commit a foul. If you (A2) are moving when there is contact, you've likely committed a foul (unless you're moving directly away from B1).

Also considered is whether team A gains an advantage from the contact. If B1 was close enough to get to the shooter before the shot if not for A2's illegal screen, that is an advantage. If they're too far away, no advantage...no call...since B1 would have been there too late to make a play on the shot.

The official has to distinguish B1 and A2 are merely jockying (legally) for a better position in the post or if B2 is trying to get to A1. If A2 is moving and there is contact but B1 is not trying to get to A1 (official's judgement) there will likely be no foul...it's not a screen.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Come on guys! It's not that hard to figure out what he's asking.

Camron, you are a man of many talents, and I admire your reffing abilities and you computer acumen. But I didn't know you had ESP. Next game you and I have together, we'll just sit at the coffee shop and shoot the bull, and ref from there, eh?

Panda, when contact occurred between A2 and B1, were you facing each other? Were you both moving? Where on the bodies was the contact?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Camron, you are a man of many talents, and I admire your reffing abilities and you computer acumen. But I didn't know you had ESP. Next game you and I have together, we'll just sit at the coffee shop and shoot the bull, and ref from there, eh?

Panda, when contact occurred between A2 and B1, were you facing each other? Were you both moving? Where on the bodies was the contact?

Juulie, read what he wrote again and read it with a player's mind. He told us pretty much everything....just not in technical terms.

I don't claim to have ESP but we, on this board, often expect questions worded in near perfect rulebook jargon. We jump all over non-officials with reasonable, legit questions when they're phrased in laymans terms...even when it's not that hard to figure out what they're really asking. Some call them fanboys (some of them are but not all). Some belittle them. I wouldn't hurt to be a bit more tolerant and not slam the guy for not fitting the casebook question format.

[JRutledge]

Camron,

No one was slamming the guy. We just did not know what he wanted to know. We cannot tell what someone called based on where people are standing. Also no one was expecting perfect jargon either, but if he wants to understand where we are coming from, we are going to give proper language in our description. If I ask a doctor what is the cause of an illness or a condition, I do not expect them to talk only in terms that do not give the proper name for a condition or not to name the proper body parts based on what the medical profession calls them. I was perfectly willing to describe the situation with more information. Right now you are the only person that seemed to know what this person was saying. Everyone else seemed either confused or not clear what happen on the play. All I do know is that where the players are standing and that he thinks you cannot call a moving screen in the lane. Everything else is a complete guess.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Juulie, read what he wrote again and read it with a player's mind. He told us pretty much everything....just not in technical terms.

I don't claim to have ESP but we, on this board, often expect questions worded in near perfect rulebook jargon. We jump all over non-officials with reasonable, legit questions when they're phrased in laymans terms...even when it's not that hard to figure out what they're really asking. Some call them fanboys (some of them are but not all). Some belittle them. I wouldn't hurt to be a bit more tolerant and not slam the guy for not fitting the casebook question format.

Camron -- I wasn't calling him a fanboy, and I wasn't belittling him. Actually, I was trying to give him the serious attention that is due to someone who asks an honest question and expects a well-thought out answer. I was trying to poke you in the ribs a little, but that apparently fell flat, just like a lot of my other jibes that day.

I really wasn't sure what happened, and I really couldn't read into his description what had happened. That call depends entirely on who had legal guarding position, or other legal position on the floor, and I just couldn't tell. SO I was trying to elicit more details to give him a good answer.

[Camron Rust]

Agree, that neither rainmaker nor JRutledge was slamming/belittleing this particular guy but it does happen all to often here....and it was beginning to look like it was going that direction.

[Scrapper1]

Is there moving screen in the paint?

Someone with a good memory is going to have to help me out. But I'm pretty sure I remember an NCAA tournament game (might've been a conference tournament) a few years ago that had a somewhat controversial call regarding a screen in the paint. Here's the description, as well as I can remember it.

There was a 2-on-1 fast break. A1 was dribbling down the middle of the court to the basket. A2 and B2 were slightly ahead of and to the left of A1, with A2 between A1 and B2. As A1 got near the basket, A2 subtly extended his left arm and held B2 so that B2 could not make a play on A1. The Lead official called the holding foul and there was a lot of consternation. . . until they showed the replay. And sure enough, you could see A2 holding B2 away from the play.

Anybody remember that game?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Come on guys! It's not that hard to figure out what he's asking.

I am going to have to agree with Juulie here. It sounds like you know more about the situation than the OPer pointed out. All that we know is three players are involved and they were near each other and a foul was called on the OPer. This person is obviously not an official and they are not using language that really describes the situation very well. Whether the official missed the call or not is something we can only speculate about. But to say we understand is a stretch.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by xtreme panda

Well it unfolded like this:

My teammate misses a shot and A2 and B1 go for the rebound. I come down with it and pretty much at the same time A1 gets away from his defender and is wide open right in front of me. I pass him the ball, but he fumbles with the ball before he shoots. During this process A2 is boxing out B1 because he wants to rotate off to defend A1.

To legally set this screen, you have to establish your position, short of contact with your opponent.

You cannot extend any part of your body into his path if he is trying to get around you.

As far as the rule book is concerned, there's no such thing as "boxing out."

When a player is "boxing out" as taught by a coach, he cannot extend any part of his body into the path of his opponent.

[xtreme panda]

I understand I cant describe the situation as detailed as you guys want.

This was only a pick-up game and usually a lot of rules aren't obeyed except the simple ones. Illegal screens aren't usually called and this was the first time I've seen it called.

I was just wanted to clarify if the person who called the illegal screen actually had an argument, since I thought it couldn't be called in the paint.

I didn't know this forum actually had REAL refs on it. I just googled basketball forum and wanted other's people opinion on this. Thank you for your time.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by xtreme panda

I was just wanted to clarify if the person who called the illegal screen actually had an argument, since I thought it couldn't be called in the paint.

An illegal screen can be called anywhere on the playing floor.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by xtreme panda

I understand I cant describe the situation as detailed as you guys want.

This was only a pick-up game and usually a lot of rules aren't obeyed except the simple ones. Illegal screens aren't usually called and this was the first time I've seen it called.

I was just wanted to clarify if the person who called the illegal screen actually had an argument, since I thought it couldn't be called in the paint.

I didn't know this forum actually had REAL refs on it. I just googled basketball forum and wanted other's people opinion on this. Thank you for your time.

Some of us are, anyhow. Then there's .... oh, forget it.