NBA Stars getting foul calls?

[JRutledge]

Actually John I am going to have to disagree with you. For full disclosure I am a Piston fan as well. But this was not a foul if you look at the replay that was basically floor level. Hamilton put his hand on the ball and there was incidental contact with the arms. If you get the ball first, incidental contact should be after. This is especially the truth when the shooter was not knocked down. I would not call that foul in a middle school game.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually John I am going to have to disagree with you. For full disclosure I am a Piston fan as well. But this was not a foul if you look at the replay that was basically floor level. Hamilton put his hand on the ball and there was incidental contact with the arms. If you get the ball first, incidental contact should be after. This is especially the truth when the shooter was not knocked down. I would not call that foul in a middle school game.

Peace

So what about the beginning of the drive, when Hamilton stuck his left hand in LeBron's chest and used it to slow him down...nothing there either?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So what about the beginning of the drive, when Hamilton stuck his left hand in LeBron's chest and used it to slow him down...nothing there either?

I saw Lebron use his right arm to get space and Hamilton held his ground. If anything, the play with Wallace where he Wallace hit the winning basket was a bigger foul than anything that took place on that final play.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I saw Lebron use his right arm to get space and Hamilton held his ground. If anything, the play with Wallace where he Wallace hit the winning basket was a bigger foul than anything that took place on that final play.

Peace

I assume you are referring to an offensive foul on Wallace, right? If so, I would agree..I didn't really think there was a foul at the end of LeBron's move, but they never really showed a replay of the beginning which - when I first saw it live - made me go "Hmmmm".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I assume you are referring to an offensive foul on Wallace, right? If so, I would agree..

I will admit I did not see the entire play, but that looked like a clear push off. I wonder if the officials thought the Cleveland player flopped.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I didn't really think there was a foul at the end of LeBron's move, but they never really showed a replay of the beginning which - when I first saw it live - made me go "Hmmmm".

I think there was pushing on both of the players parts and the officials just let it go. I saw the play live and that was my first impression. I thought that Hamilton might have even fouled. When I saw the replay I think my first impression was at the very least wrong. I think it was a great no call all the way.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

My wife asked me if I was going to watch the basketball game. I said "What basketball game? There's a wrestling match on that's gonna end up around 72-69." It sounds like I was right.

The NBA....unwaaaaaaatchable! And boring as hell......

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will admit I did not see the entire play, but that looked like a clear push off. I wonder if the officials thought the Cleveland player flopped.

I went to NBA.com to take a look at it. It's at:

http://www.nba.com/video/

Click on "Wallace's Big Fourth". Play it on "slow" speed.

Is that a foul under basketball rules? Definitely!

Is it a foul under NBA rules? Apparently not!

The last-second drive video by LeBron is on there too.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I went to NBA.com to take a look at it. It's at:

No thanks. Not worth sitting through a commercial to look at. I'll wait for the youtube version.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually John I am going to have to disagree with you. For full disclosure I am a Piston fan as well. But this was not a foul if you look at the replay that was basically floor level. Hamilton put his hand on the ball and there was incidental contact with the arms. If you get the ball first, incidental contact should be after. This is especially the truth when the shooter was not knocked down. I would not call that foul in a middle school game.

I agree. The first time I saw it and afterwards. Hamilton had his hands straight up in the air, which is what we like to see from a defender. Good, good no-call.

The potential flop and throw-off by Wallace later. At first glance, I'm with you RUT, it looked like the defender over-reacted to the push off, in an attempt to get the call, even though Wallace is a big boy, I can't see him pushing another big man, that far, that hard on a move to the bucket. Perhaps a more subtle flop would have gotten him the call.

With all that being said, the first game where Lebron didn't go to the line at all, not one time. That game was very poorly officiated and there was one time, Lebron got crushed and there was no call! Even on the replay it was a foul. Coach should have went ballistic then and picked up a T. By letting that slide, made it worse for his young superstar who is definitely not getting the respect from the officials in this series, imho.

[Adam]

So, you think the coach making an azz of himself would help his player get better calls in the game later? Is that how it works in the games you officiate?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So, you think the coach making an azz of himself would help his player get better calls in the game later? Is that how it works in the games you officiate?

It helped Bill Laimbeer win a championship last year. I saw it, felt he was right, he mention it to the media (ala Larry Brown) and he got his point across. Misson accomplished, end result, championship! You just got to know when to push those buttons, and also when to keep your mouth shut. Last night was good defense. Crying about good defense is bad for your team and serves only to piss the referee's off...

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Old School

It helped Bill Laimbeer win a championship last year. I saw it, felt he was right, he mention it to the media (ala Larry Brown) and he got his point across. Misson accomplished, end result, championship! You just got to know when to push those buttons, and also when to keep your mouth shut. Last night was good defense. Crying about good defense is bad for your team and serves only to piss the referee's off...

Bill Laimbeer coaches? In what league? Don't tell me we are going to start talking about the WNBA?! I'm going to go read something about soccer instead...or maybe one of those "sports" with skateboards, bikes, and shorts hanging down around your ankles.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

It helped Bill Laimbeer win a championship last year. I saw it, felt he was right, he mention it to the media (ala Larry Brown) and he got his point across. Misson accomplished, end result, championship! You just got to know when to push those buttons, and also when to keep your mouth shut. Last night was good defense. Crying about good defense is bad for your team and serves only to piss the referee's off...

I cannot believe that you even compared the WNBA to what takes place in the NBA.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot believe that you even compared the WNBA to what takes place in the NBA.

I can.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot believe that you even compared the WNBA to what takes place in the NBA.

Peace

Referee's can make a mistake no matter what the level or organization. The WNBA might even be a better comparison because they try to use the same rulesets. Coaching is coaching, a foul is a foul, no matter WNBA or NBA. I saw the same thing last year in the WNBA with the calls only going one way. It appears to me from afar that the Pistons is getting all the calls in this series and from someone who could care less who wins the series. It's so obvious. It was the same way when I watched the WNBA. I could care less who wins but I look for consistentcy on both ends of the court. That just doesn't happen that often in the WNBA but in the NBA, it realy stands out when you don't make obvious calls. I'll tell you something else, when the calls are consistent at both ends, and the teams are fairly even like in this series, it makes for a much better game to watch, imo. You take the ref's out the picture, the players will decide, and you don't know who's going to win. Makes for an exciting game to watch. Then all of a sudden, you get an obvious foul that's not called, here we go again with this star status system, new kid don't get calls he should get. Time to find something else to watch.