Pick / Charge

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If A1 had not caught the ball cleanly (he was bobbling it), then it is a block because A1 still has not established control of the ball.

In op the defender was there 2 or 3 steps before the collision, and as I picture it defender remained stationary. In this case, how can it possibly be a block no matter what happens?

[SamIAm]

Someone help old Sam out here,

When does the stationery B1 tranfer from setting a blind screen to a player taking a charge?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Someone help old Sam out here,

When does the stationery B1 tranfer from setting a blind screen to a player taking a charge?

When A1 causes contact with him?

I'd say that B1 is guarding A1 from the beginning (getting in the path of an offensive player). Either way, I think B1 fits the description of a legal screen or a legal guarding position.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

When does the stationery B1 tranfer from setting a blind screen to a player taking a charge?

When the person he's screening gains control of the ball.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

When the person he's screening gains control of the ball.

If A1 had not received a pass, it would have been a blind screen with no foul.
Correct?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

A couple other general comments that don't apply to this particular situation. If B1 established his position after A1 became airborne and the contact occurs before A1 lands, then it's a block whether A1 has control of the ball or not.

If A1 had not caught the ball cleanly (he was bobbling it), then it is a block because A1 still has not established control of the ball.

I agree with #1, but could you explain situation #2 a bit more clearly? Is this after airborne A1 comes back down to the ground?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

As I said, that comment wasn't meant to apply to the original post.

I'm picturing A1 jumping to catch the pass and B1 jumping into his path, allowing A1 to return to the floor, but not time and distance to avoid the contact. In that case, (a) if A1 catches the ball, it's a player control foul; (b) if A1 bobbles the ball, it's a block.

Sorry I was unclear.

Has Zorro been unmasked?

Much clearer now, though, although I think that the rules would indicate calling a block in both situations. Both 4-23-4 (opponent with the ball) and 4-23-5 (moving oponent without the ball) state that "If the opponent [with the ball] is airborne, the guard must have obtained legal position before the opponent left the floor."

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Much clearer now, though, although I think that the rules would indicate calling a block in both situations. Both 4-23-4 (opponent with the ball) and 4-23-5 (moving oponent without the ball) state that "If the opponent [with the ball] is airborne, the guard must have obtained legal position before the opponent left the floor."

Yes, but in Chuck's example, he stated

I'm picturing A1 jumping to catch the pass and B1 jumping into his path, allowing A1 to return to the floor, but not time and distance to avoid the contact.

Once A1 returns to the floor, he's no longer airborne. So if B1 is stationary, catch-land-crash is a player control foul, even if B1 got to his spot after A1 went airborne.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Has Zorro been unmasked?

No.

Merely typing in the wrong window.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by ColdShot

1) Block or charge?

Player control foul. Had A1 not caught the ball, it sounds like B1 gave proper time and distance, so he is entitled to that position on the floor. Would have been a charge in that case.

Originally Posted by ColdShot

2) Valid call?

Depends. Once the shot attempt has released A1's hands, the 3 second count is terminated and not restarted all criteria exist again. Did that happen? If so, not valid. If blocked while still in A1's hands, you still have the count going.