Self pass or not?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There's no such thing as a self pass.

The play is completely legal.

That's true. Passes are to TEAMMATES. When a player throws the ball and retrieves it himself, it is either a legal or an illegal dribble unless it was a try for goal.

[utrook31]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's true. Passes are to TEAMMATES. When a player throws the ball and retrieves it himself, it is either a legal or an illegal dribble unless it was a try for goal.

That's the point I'm arguing. If it is clear that his intent was only to continue his dribble and the teammate has no possible way of receiving the pass (as it was thrown off his back from 3" away), would there still be no call on the play?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by utrook31

That's the point I'm arguing. If it is clear that his intent was only to continue his dribble and the teammate has no possible way of receiving the pass (as it was thrown off his back from 3" away), would there still be no call on the play?

Intent has nothing to do with this situation. If the ball touches another player it cannot be an illegal dribble or act. You are over thinking this waaaayyyyy toooooo much.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by utrook31

That's the point I'm arguing. If it is clear that his intent was only to continue his dribble and the teammate has no possible way of receiving the pass (as it was thrown off his back from 3" away), would there still be no call on the play?

As soon as the thrown ball touches the other player the action meets the definition of a pass. What the thrower actually wanted to do has nothing to do with it. When officiating plays, you have to go by the definitions.

4-31 A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player.

[BktBallRef]

Try this, utrook31.

Thrower A1 is standing OOB with the ball on his own endline. B1 has his back to A1. A1 throws the ball off B1's back, steps inbounds, recovers the ball, shoots and scores. legal Play? Of course it is. It makes no difference that he did not intend to inbound the ball to a teammate.