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Old Tue Apr 17, 2007, 04:45pm
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Yes, Pete, most of us certainly do have a fairly low tolerance when it comes to whining fanboys and pseudo officials. They'll never understand that it's never a matter of blindly backing up an official's call, right or wrong; it's more a matter of not tolerating the questioning of an official's integrity while questioning the call. I always thought that Don Denkinger was one of the best MLB arbiters going. Yup, he made a bad call, and he also had the terrible luck of making it at the worst possible time too. The same call in August in a nothing game basically gets ignored. Hell, I loved watching Richie Garcia work. He evolved from a young hothead into an umpire that really knew how to control tough situations. That didn't help Richie either. His legacy will always be that fan interference missed call in Yankee Stadium...unfortunately. Fanboys forget that officials in any sport are human and are going to blow one occasionally. The problem with some of the ones that come here is that they also want to assign motives to the missed call instead of just saying "Hey, he blew one". They'll never understand that no one will ever feel worse than the guy who finds out that he really did screw up a call. I sureasheck know the feeling.

The problem here is we really can't discuss these types of situations without the "Coach Jinx' of the world showing up.
Very well put JR. After reading this thread all day, I really didn't know where I stood, or what I could learn from what Joey Crawford did. After reading your last post it reminded me that I've been in this situation, and probably so has everyone on here that loves this "avocation" and is very passionate for this game. We've been in a very heated and emotional moment during a game, and even though we are trained not to be emotional during this time, WE ARE HUMAN. Now, I have about 1/5 of the time on the court then Joey Crawford does, and I'm not dealing with no where near the stress levels that an NBA official goes through, during the game and AFTER the game. I went to my first college camp this weekend, and I pick the ACC camp to go to. The stress that I thought I went through, constantly on the run for 32 minutes in a game, 3-4 games a day, with 25 year D-I Final Four officials and NCAA Tourney officials critiquing every call or missed call takes it's toll on a person, and this was just one weekend. With today's technology, I know for a fact that the NBA officials, and D1 college officials are so closely scrutinized to the point where they have a DVD of their game waiting for them when they get back to the locker room, and their supervisor has one the next day. When you look at a corporate america job, we get evaluated yearly, and sometimes bi-annually. I would love for one of these fanboys and/or coaches to be scrutinzed on their jobs every day, like these officials are every game. Coaches gets passes or the "5-year" plan to get their program together. Officials careers can be made or lost on a call made on any given night. I guess you just put things into perspective when you deal with some of these guys who come on here to complain, and to think some of them are "us" officials. I for one would think what the hell is JR thinking, can't he see that this referee blew it?? Thanks for the post and for helping me to reflect of what I am and where I've been in my short career in this sport.

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Old Tue Apr 17, 2007, 05:21pm
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This post won't be popular with the old guys.

What's the aveage length of an NBA career for the top players? It is my belief that the officials shouldn't be around much longer than that. Joey has other issues with his personality which have landed him in trouble in the past as well as this time, but I also have to believe that his being in the league for 29 years, which is more than enough, is part of the problem. It seems that when people do something for so many years they lose perspective and get too high on themselves.

It is time for Joey and Bavetta to go.

The NBA should consider putting in a cap of 15 or 20 years for officials.
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What's the aveage length of an NBA career for the top players? It is my belief that the officials shouldn't be around much longer than that.
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Joey has other issues with his personality
Joey? First name basis?
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which have landed him in trouble in the past as well as this time, but I also have to believe that his being in the league for 29 years, which is more than enough, is part of the problem.
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It seems that when people do something for so many years they lose perspective and get too high on themselves.
Good point. Nothing more corrosive than experience and wisdom.
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It is time for Joey and Bavetta to go.
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The NBA should consider putting in a cap of 15 or 20 years for officials.
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Old Tue Apr 17, 2007, 06:55pm
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After reading this thread all day, I really didn't know where I stood, or what I could learn from what Joey Crawford did.
Joe, you just replied from an official's perspective. You are a ref! You know that we're all going to make mistakes. You also know that if you want to develop into the best official that you can be, you need to learn from those mistakes. The better officials simply make fewer mistakes than others, and also tend not to repeat their mistakes. Fanboys, and some officials unfortunately, never look at things from that perspective. All they see is a missed or blown call, and it becomes a conspiracy against their favorite team.

Good luck in your officiating career.
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Old Tue Apr 17, 2007, 02:42pm
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IMO Joey's biggest mistake was his target that night. I am official an a fan of the NBA (one of the few among my peers). Tim Duncan is poster child for the NBA, an rightfully so. The NBA is mired in on an off court problems with is players and there image. I obviously don't know Mr Duncan personally, but he seems like a very likable individual who plays the game the right way, and conducts himself in a way we can all appreciate on and off the court. If this happens with the likes of a Rasheed Wallace or someone like that this is probably not as big of an issue. Maybe he's suspended for a few games, but the reaction as it were might be different. If anyone caught the interview on 60 Minutes a while back with his brother and father you would truly see the passion he has for the game. I think there is a lesson here for all of us, both on, and off the court. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, Joey will see his error for what was, and return to the NBA.
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Old Tue Apr 17, 2007, 03:10pm
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No I'm not a fanboy & I'm not up everyone's *** who wears stripes either. I am however one of the best young officials I know(just ask me I'll tell you) don't believe me e-mail me & i'll send you my schedule for this year. Come out & watch someone who wants to get it right, not get in the way & LOVES OFFICIATING GAMES!!!

Fanboy...LOL your a JOKE!!! Grow some & stop making excuses for everyone wearing stripes, YOU MAKE US ALL LOOK BAD!!!

what association are you with? i am sure we can get to the bottom of this truth/lie pretty easy.
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Old Tue Apr 17, 2007, 03:15pm
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Fanboy...LOL your a JOKE!!!
His a joke?
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No I'm not a fanboy & I'm not up everyone's *** who wears stripes either. I am however one of the best young officials I know(just ask me I'll tell you) don't believe me e-mail me & i'll send you my schedule for this year. Come out & watch someone who wants to get it right, not get in the way & LOVES OFFICIATING GAMES!!!
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Old Wed Apr 18, 2007, 06:54pm
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Here's an article with a different take on the suspension.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6700790?MSNHPHMA


PS I'll respond to the age stuff later tonight when I get home.
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Read that earlier. Interesting take. Not great, but interesting.
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Old Thu Apr 19, 2007, 10:18am
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Read that earlier. Interesting take. Not great, but interesting.
I agree on the interesting take. I do agree with Hench that Javie is one of the best, if not the best out there. IMO
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