Warning!! Danger!! Annual Off-topic Baseball Thread '07!! Beware!!

[rainmaker]

Seems like Beckett gets "behind" on purpose. Gets to 3-0, or 3-1 pretty early quite often. Isn't that against orthodoxy?

[Nevadaref]

Chuck,
You got your wish. It's going back to Boston. Beckett was awesome.

This will be fun. I think that Cleveland still has an edge, but Boston now has a realistic chance. The pitchers for Boston in games 6 and 7 don't inspire the confidence that Beckett does.

It will be a good weekend.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Ok, I'm the first to admit that Manny should be running hard out of the box. But that ball was a HR. Buck and McCarver said they couldn't tell, even on replay, but that's BS. It was gone.

Actually, it was a 400' single. But who cares? There's always the next AB. It's not like it's the end of the world.

Manny being Manny. How many times have we heard that one?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Ok, I'm the first to admit that Manny should be running hard out of the box. But that ball was a HR. Buck and McCarver said they couldn't tell, even on replay, but that's BS. It was gone.

Um, no, it was a 390 foot single. Too bad that Boston didn't lose by a run; you could still say "Oh, that's just Manny being Manny".

You know what's funny? Your pitcher throwing a hissy-fit because Lofton was styling, while Manny is doing the same or worse in the same game.

Btw, that was great base running by Manny when he got tagged out at the plate, wasn't it? Probably didn't want to get his pants dirty.....

[mick]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You know what's funny? Your pitcher throwing a hissy-fit because Lofton was styling, ....

I didn't think Lofton was stylin'.
To me he truely believed that pitch was ball four and the strike call was a touch slow. Almost before the bat slowly hit the ground, he was picking it up.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by mick

I didn't think Lofton was stylin'.
To me he truely believed that pitch was ball four and the strike call was a touch slow. Almost before the bat slowly hit the ground, he was picking it up.

Kind of a late strike call by Blue as well. I can totally see why the BR thought that it was a ball: both by his view of the pitch and the PU's mechanics.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mick

I didn't think Lofton was stylin'.
To me he truely believed that pitch was ball four and the strike call was a touch slow. Almost before the bat slowly hit the ground, he was picking it up.

There's a story this morning in USA Today quoting Lofton as saying that he and Becket have been going at each other since way back in 2005 over Lofton's habit of flipping the bat when he's walked.

Lofton has more than a bit of "Manny"(tm) in him......

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Um, no, it was a 390 foot single. Too bad that Boston didn't lose by a run; you could still say "Oh, that's just Manny being Manny".

You know what's funny? Your pitcher throwing a hissy-fit because Lofton was styling, while Manny is doing the same or worse in the same game.

Btw, that was great base running by Manny when he got tagged out at the plate, wasn't it? Probably didn't want to get his pants dirty.....

Let's start a list of team mates & opponents who would have knocked down Manny with either a fist or a baseball if he had been playing prior to 1980

I'll start.... team mates Billy Martin, Pete Rose, opponents Don Drysdale, Bob Gibson

[mick]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Let's start a list of team mates & opponents who would have knocked down Manny with either a fist or a baseball if he had been playing prior to 1980

I'll start.... team mates Billy Martin, Pete Rose, opponents Don Drysdale, Bob Gibson, Ty Cobb

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mick

Quote:

Mick,
He said 1980, not 1880.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Let's start a list of team mates & opponents who would have knocked down Manny with either a fist or a baseball if he had been playing prior to 1980

I'll start.... team mates Billy Martin, Pete Rose, opponents Don Drysdale, Bob Gibson

Goose Gossage comes to mind immediately.....

A much shorter list would be who wouldn't knock him down......

[mbyron]

Baseball has less and less tolerance for the "old ways" of handling disputes. The umpires tolerate deliberate HBP less and less, and they're following instructions. The owners have too much money tied up in the marquee players -- who get hit by accident enough as it is -- and it always seems to be they who engage in "stylin'" and deserve to be thrown at.

Since the players can no longer take care of this misbehavior themselves, and since it's not against the rules, expect to see more and more of it. Won't be long before we see some classless schlunk "hit the ATM" after knocking one out (or some similar NFL shenanigans).

I thought Betancourt might plunk Ramirez in game 4 after that dumb way he savored his home run (team still down 4). But Betancourt was too classy: he just got Manny to fly out to end the inning.

Either that or he realized that if he plunked Manny, the batter would end up on 1B and Betancourt would be ejected, neither of which would help the team.

[ChuckElias]

First team in MLB history to score 10 or more runs in 3 straight postseason games. I don't think the 8 day layoff was good for the Rockies.

[tjones1]

Yeah... and they better get a stolen base too... or at least one of them better!!

[tjones1]

For the love of a college kid...someone steal a base!!!!