Warning!! Danger!! Annual Off-topic Baseball Thread '07!! Beware!!

[Mark Dexter]

Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher).

[Nevadaref]

ATTABOY!!!
Thanks, Dexter. (and I mean that in the nonexpletive way! )

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

ATTABOY!!!
Thanks, Dexter. (and I mean that in the nonexpletive way! )

It's not that hard when you know the website.

Pretty typical, though - the Georgetown grad knows the philosophy and the theory, while the GW grad knows how to get sh*t done!

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Isn't there a rule that the official scorer can credit someone else with the win, if a pitcher is ineffective?

Would the above be an appropriate application? Linebrink walked two batters and then surrendered a game-tying 3-run homerun. Why should he get the win?

Maybe b/c the only other person who would be eligible for the win would be Hoffman, and he'd rather be credited with the save. I don't know if the scorer talked to Hoffman about it or just assumed it. I know that official scorers will sometimes talk to a player after a game to get the player's opinion of whether a play was a hit or error, and then change the official scoring based on the player's input. Maybe this is the pitcher's version of that.

[ChuckElias]

Hey, is Julio Lugo coming out of his coma? Sox win big, Yanks lose big. Nice for a change.

[mick]

Ouch !

Kansas City 10 vs. Detroit 2

[ChuckElias]

Sox and Indians played a gem last night. If you're a fan of an old-fashioned pitching duel, you should've been watching. Dice-K continues a run of great outings by Sox starters, going 7 innings without giving up a run. Okajima pitched the 8th and Papelbon got the save. Exactly according to the script. Beckett, Gabbard, Wakefield and John Lester (in his first start since his cancer diagnosis!!) all pitched great in their most recent starts.

Yankees beat up on the Devil Rays pretty good last week. All I can say about that is that I'm glad we still have 15 games to play against Tampa!

[ChuckElias]

While I was having good feelings about the Sox, I went to check the standings, and happened to notice that there are a few teams in each league that haven't played each other yet. For example, the Angels and Blue Jays haven't played against each other yet. It's the last week of July! I guess that's what an unbalanced schedule will do.

Rangers/Royals haven't matched up; Detroit hasn't played the Yankees or the A's. In the National League, Braves/D'Backs haven't played; and the Marlins haven't played Colorado or the Giants. The Giants are still waiting to play the Nats.

Wierd.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Sox and Indians played a gem last night. If you're a fan of an old-fashioned pitching duel, you should've been watching.

A 1-0 gem that took 3 hours?

Oh...Betancourt pitched 2 innings......

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

It's not that hard when you know the website.

Pretty typical, though - the Georgetown grad knows the philosophy and the theory, while the GW grad knows how to get sh*t done!

Ouch!

So what's the website?

PS Here's another example: the closer blows a three-run lead in the 9th, yet gets the win when his team pushes one across in the bottom of the inning.
Baseball needs to change this scoring rule.
LA Angles -----------------IP H R ER BB K HR
F. Rodriguez (W, 4-2; BS, 3) 1.0 3 3 3 2 0 0

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Maybe b/c the only other person who would be eligible for the win would be Hoffman, and he'd rather be credited with the save. I don't know if the scorer talked to Hoffman about it or just assumed it. I know that official scorers will sometimes talk to a player after a game to get the player's opinion of whether a play was a hit or error, and then change the official scoring based on the player's input. Maybe this is the pitcher's version of that.

Should we adopt this mentality in officiating too? We'll go ask the player if he was fouled or if he traveled and then make that call.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Sox and Indians played a gem last night. If you're a fan of an old-fashioned pitching duel, you should've been watching.

Unfortunately, the Sox were on the wrong end of the 1-0 score last night. Oritz popped weakly to third to end the game. Papi's average in the 8th and 9th innings with a chance to tie or take the lead was like .340 last year. This year, it's only .180 with no homers and no RBIs.

Gotta hand it to the Cleveland starter, tho. Fausto Carmona is the guy that the Sox torched twice in 3 nights last year when he was the closer: http://forum.officiating.com/showpos...&postcount=482

I'm glad he bounced back after that and that he's having a good year (13-4), but the Sox could've used that game last night.

[Jurassic Referee]

Did you happen to catch Bob Costas' show? The one with Schilling and Mr. PotatoHead's connection on it?

The disclaimers are flying from Bonds and Sheffield now. Kinda interesting that neither one has threatened to sue anybody for all those terrible lies.

Let's see....in the world of sports today, we have:
- Mr. PotatoHead's drive for the homerun record, accompanied by all the 'roid commentary.
- Vick's problems in football. PETA is looking to lynch him.
- Donaghy and the NBA.
- the Tour de France, where every day the leader seems to get sent home for something affiliated with drugs.
- and so on.....

"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood......"

[Texas Aggie]

This is the slow time of the year, sports wise. Only 1 major sport going, and all but the die hard baseball fans are already tired of that.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Did you happen to catch Bob Costas' show? The one with Schilling and Mr. PotatoHead's connection on it?

The disclaimers are flying from Bonds and Sheffield now. Kinda interesting that neither one has threatened to sue anybody for all those terrible lies.

Let's see....in the world of sports today, we have:
- Mr. PotatoHead's drive for the homerun record, accompanied by all the 'roid commentary.
- Vick's problems in football. PETA is looking to lynch him.
- Donaghy and the NBA.
- the Tour de France, where every day the leader seems to get sent home for something affiliated with drugs.
- and so on.....

"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood......"

I haven't heard of any issues within the Canadian Football League.