A&M/Memphis finish

[gazebra]

The monitor rule isn't allowed for questions of judgement. The new T clearly blew the whistle and signaled the ball out of bounds. With that being the case, whether or not he blew the call is not relevant to the discussion at the monitor. The play should have been reviewed for only the time that it took to blow the whistle, and as a result only .2 or so should have come off. Not that it would have made a difference in the game, but it would allow for at least a better attempt.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by gazebra

The play should have been reviewed for only the time that it took to blow the whistle, and as a result only .2 or so should have come off. Not that it would have made a difference in the game, but it would allow for at least a better attempt.

How can you say that? Why only .2 seconds? Because the announcers said so? Why not .7 or .5?

The officials reviewed the amount of time they felt should have run off the clock. The clock never started. I would expect a second to come off anyway.

Peace

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How can you say that? Why only .2 seconds? Because the announcers said so? Why not .7 or .5?

The officials reviewed the amount of time they felt should have run off the clock. The clock never started. I would expect a second to come off anyway.

Peace

Everyone agrees that the officials accurately accounted for the time between when the ball was touched IB v when it was touched OB.

The question is...what happens when you have an early whistle on an OB play? As Jurassic points out, by rule this would be an IW, as such we would go to POI and AP(NFHS). Obviously, no one would agree that we should do that.

So the question is still...do we get it right or follow the rule?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

Everyone agrees that the officials accurately accounted for the time between when the ball was touched IB v when it was touched OB.

The question is...what happens when you have an early whistle on an OB play? As Jurassic points out, by rule this would be an IW, as such we would go to POI and AP(NFHS). Obviously, no one would agree that we should do that.

So the question is still...do we get it right or follow the rule?

Once again this is why some people will always make a mountain out of a molehill. Who says the whistle was blown early?

From my point of view people here are trying to make an issue out of something because they fell they could do better than the officials actually working the game.

Peace

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Once again this is why some people will always make a mountain out of a molehill. Who says the whistle was blown early?

From my point of view people here are trying to make an issue out of something because they fell they could do better than the officials actually working the game.

Peace

I don't think anybody has given any reason to think we could do a better job. I know I certainly couldn't, but I do think the rules suggest a different course of action.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Once again this is why some people will always make a mountain out of a molehill. Who says the whistle was blown early?

From my point of view people here are trying to make an issue out of something because they fell they could do better than the officials actually working the game.

Peace

First of all, the whistle was blown early, that is not in dispute.

Secondly, I in no way feel I can do better than a D1 in the Sweet 16, I just want to know what to do in a HS V game if we have an early whistle on an OB play close to the buzzer?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

First of all, the whistle was blown early, that is not in dispute.

Secondly, I in no way feel I can do better than a D1 in the Sweet 16, I just want to know what to do in a HS V game if we have an early whistle on an OB play close to the buzzer?

I am disputing it. I am disputing it because other than a few people saying it here I still have not seen how only .2 seconds would have come off the clock. Which tells me that if Bill Rafferty and his partner said .7, then people would say that only .7 would have come off the clock?

Peace

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am disputing it. I am disputing it because other than a few people saying it here I still have not seen how only .2 seconds would have come off the clock. Which tells me that if Bill Rafferty and his partner said .7, then people would say that only .7 would have come off the clock?

Peace

Listen, last night, after everything was said and done, the officials got it correct from the standpoint that they took the correct amount of time off of the clock from the point the ball was touched IB until it was touched OB.

My question still remains, in a HS game, if the whistle is blown early on an OB play prior to the buzzer, then the ball lands OB after the buzzer, what do we do?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

First of all, the whistle was blown early, that is not in dispute.

Secondly, I in no way feel I can do better than a D1 in the Sweet 16, I just want to know what to do in a HS V game if we have an early whistle on an OB play close to the buzzer?

Are you sure the whistle was blown early??? The play is on youtube, and I think the whistle was ok.

My question would be after the made basket under 59.9 the clock stops, when does it start again, after the touch or after the ball touches inbounds? I know when we would normally chop the clock in, is it the same after a made basket?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Are you sure the whistle was blown early??? The play is on youtube, and I think the whistle was ok.

My question would be after the made basket under 59.9 the clock stops, when does it start again, after the touch or after the ball touches inbounds? I know when we would normally chop the clock in, is it the same after a made basket?

Yes, it's the same...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Once again this is why some people will always make a mountain out of a molehill. Who says the whistle was blown early?

From my point of view people here are trying to make an issue out of something because they fell they could do better than the officials actually working the game.

Amen.

I thought the guys on the game handled it properly and professionally.

But.....it's that time of the year, isn't it?)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Amen.

I thought the guys on the game handled it properly and professionally.

But.....it's that time of the year, isn't it?)

There is, or was, some guidance given to the officials on what to do if an airborne player heading out of bounds requested a TO and the official blew the whistle.

I'd use the same type of precedent here.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There is, or was, some guidance given to the officials on what to do if an airborne player heading out of bounds requested a TO and the official blew the whistle.

I'd use the same type of precedent here.

hmmm...move the throw-in team up to the spot of the ball at the whistle, take off whatever time should have elapsed from touch to whistle & resume the game?

I don't agree the guidance you reference applies to this case.

btw, i still don't agree there was a whistle

[BillP73]

Originally Posted by gazebra

The monitor rule isn't allowed for questions of judgement. The new T clearly blew the whistle and signaled the ball out of bounds. With that being the case, whether or not he blew the call is not relevant to the discussion at the monitor. The play should have been reviewed for only the time that it took to blow the whistle, and as a result only .2 or so should have come off. Not that it would have made a difference in the game, but it would allow for at least a better attempt.

That's exactly where I fall into it.

I'm not an official, nor a fan of either team, but I wanted to get others' perspective on this. It appears as if there's no agreement.

I reviewed the NCAA rulebook, and I don't feel what they did was proper. They didn't fix a timing error...they ostensibly fixed what they deemed to be an error in judgment as it pertains to where the ball went out of bounds. There are no provisions in the rulebook (Appendix III, section 6) for them to use replay equipment for that purpose. The call, as made on the court, should've stood as the benchmark for purposes of determining how much went off the clock.

There's no question that the official right near the play called the ball dead at the point it hit on the hardwood in the vicinity of the line. He motioned with his arm, and you can hear a whistle on the video. I can't believe that's being disputed by some of you. Further, the whistle wasn't "inadvertant" by any rational definition. He made a distinct call of a perceived violation.

[rockyroad]

[QUOTE=BillP73]

I reviewed the NCAA rulebook, and I don't feel what they did was proper. They didn't fix a timing error...they ostensibly fixed what they deemed to be an error in judgment as it pertains to where the ball went out of bounds. There are no provisions in the rulebook (Appendix III, section 6) for them to use replay equipment for that purpose. The call, as made on the court, should've stood as the benchmark for purposes of determining how much went off the clock.

[QUOTE]

Ahhh, but they did fix a timing error...even if the ball had hit the line right there, there would still have been a timing error - the ball was touched legally inbounds and so the clock should have started...so what you don't like about the whole situation is that - while trying to fix the timing error, they realized it was a BIG timing error that needed to be fixed...I'm not convinced that would they did was correct, but I wasn't in the pre-game meetings that were held Wed. night with the NCAA representative - so maybe they were told to handle things in a certain way??? I don't know, but I think that if this was a big screw-up we would have heard something from the NCAA about it by now...