Cincinnati-Memphis State - 3 Reviewed

[Jake80]

I was channel surfing yesterday and happened to catch the end of the Cincinnati-Memphis State game. There was an apparent 3-point shot that was reviewed during the next dead ball. The C on ball side called it a 3 originally. The questions I have are.

1) Who initiates the review process?

2) What criteria is used to decide what the final call is?
Is it like the NFL where the call stands unless there is undisputable evidence or does the original call not matter?

3) Are there normally other camera angles available than what is shown on the television replay?

For what it's worth both of the angles I saw on replay seemed to show some of the floor between the player's shoe and the line but the officials obviously saw something to make them decide it was only a 2.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Jake80
For what it's worth both of the angles I saw on replay seemed to show some of the floor between the player's shoe and the line but the officials obviously saw something to make them decide it was only a 2.

I agree. I, too, though he was clearly behind the line.

In the NC State-Wake Forest game, State shot an airball. A1 rebounded, shot, and hit the rim with 7 seconds left on the shot clock. However, the shot clock was not reset. State rebounded and threw up and airball 3 point attempt at the buzzer. The officials reviewed the video, and gave the ball back to State with a fresh shot clock.

Never seen that before and wondered on what basis they arrived at that ruling.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

I agree. I, too, though he was clearly behind the line.

In the NC State-Wake Forest game, State shot an airball. A1 rebounded, shot, and hit the rim with 7 seconds left on the shot clock. However, the shot clock was not reset. State rebounded and threw up and airball 3 point attempt at the buzzer. The officials reviewed the video, and gave the ball back to State with a fresh shot clock.

Never seen that before and wondered on what basis they arrived at that ruling.

2-5.1c "Preventing or rectifying a scoring or timing mistake by the scorer
or timer involving the game clock or shot clock;"

Also, 2-5.4

[Larks]

Originally posted by Jake80
I was channel surfing yesterday and happened to catch the end of the Cincinnati-Memphis State game. There was an apparent 3-point shot that was reviewed during the next dead ball. The C on ball side called it a 3 originally. The questions I have are.

1) Who initiates the review process?

2) What criteria is used to decide what the final call is?
Is it like the NFL where the call stands unless there is undisputable evidence or does the original call not matter?

3) Are there normally other camera angles available than what is shown on the television replay?

For what it's worth both of the angles I saw on replay seemed to show some of the floor between the player's shoe and the line but the officials obviously saw something to make them decide it was only a 2.

What I heard was Huggs asked the closest ref saying he thought his foot was on the line. I am guessing the official wasnt 100% so he agreed to check it. I couldnt tell myself either but to the crew's credit, they were open to getting the call right.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Larks
What I heard was Huggs asked the closest ref saying he thought his foot was on the line. I am guessing the official wasnt 100% so he agreed to check it. I couldnt tell myself either but to the crew's credit, they were open to getting the call right.

But did they get it right?

[johnSandlin]

Any official can begin the review process on a call. Just make sure you are 200% for sure that you want to change the original call that was made because of you having 110% better information then your partner(s) who made the original call.

Even though I did say in my first line that any official can begin the review process, common sense does play a factor into this as well. For example the situation in the Cinci-Memphis game, you would probably not see the L beginning the review process on this call, unless it was in the L/T dual coverage area, or it was on a fast break 3-point attempt, then L may step in and begin the review porcess.

In the CCA manual for both mens and womens officials, there is no set procedure on who can and who cannot begin the review process of changing a call that was originally made by a partner.

We are just taught to make sure we 110% sure that the original call was incorrect before attempting to change the call.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Jake80

3) Are there normally other camera angles available than what is shown on the television replay?

Yes - sometimes the TV truck will broadcast all of them, sometimes they won't.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

2-5.1c "Preventing or rectifying a scoring or timing mistake by the scorer
or timer involving the game clock or shot clock;"

Also, 2-5.4

Granted - they can correct the shot clock, but once the ball is in the air, doesn't team control end - you go to the arrow? I thought they had to correct while the team still had posession. (Shot hits rim, clock stays at 7, A rebounds, then B steals with 2 on the clock - you don't give it back to team A.)

Also, if the shot was off at the buzzer, why give them a fresh 35? Wouldn't you take 6-7 seconds off of that?

[johnSandlin]

What did you think of the reset of the 35 second shot clock in the Missouri Valley Conference Tournament Final the other night.

Officials ruled that the UNI player did have enough control of the ball before SMS stole the ball and called timeout

The ruling was upon reviewing the monitor was the SMS was entitled to a fresh 35 on the shot clock, because of that brief, but legal second of possession of the ball by the UNI player on the floor prior to having the ball stolen by SMS.

Two of the officials were John Higgins and Mike Sanzere. I cannot remember the name of the third official was worked the game as well, but I though the call was correct upon slow motion replay.