A&M/Memphis finish

[NorthSide]

I was watching it intently wondering why it was taking so long. Immediately, I thought "take .2 or .3" off the clock - which was at 3.1 - and let's get it going. Again, when the two (I don't know their names) took a while, I began to wonder what was going on. I even saw the older official on the right (crouching on one knee) holding a stopwatch.

Anyway, Greg Gumbel called it right on the CBS postgame show. The Memphis defender deflected the ball, the ball bounced just inside the sideline, and went toward press row where a suit/tie caught it. It, literally, bounced on the floor, went high in the air, and then it was caught... then, I assume, a whistle, which would have signified a dead ball.

I liked taking 1.1 seconds off for I feel it was an appropriate estimate on the time that should have come off from when the Memphis defender touched the ball (start the clock) to the time the suit/tie caught the ball (whistle; stop the clock). How come no one brought up the fact the time didn't do his/her job!? Whew!

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by NorthSide

I was watching it intently wondering why it was taking so long. Immediately, I thought "take .2 or .3" off the clock - which was at 3.1 - and let's get it going. Again, when the two (I don't know their names) took a while, I began to wonder what was going on. I even saw the older official on the right (crouching on one knee) holding a stopwatch.

Anyway, Greg Gumbel called it right on the CBS postgame show. The Memphis defender deflected the ball, the ball bounced just inside the sideline, and went toward press row where a suit/tie caught it. It, literally, bounced on the floor, went high in the air, and then it was caught... then, I assume, a whistle, which would have signified a dead ball.

I liked taking 1.1 seconds off for I feel it was an appropriate estimate on the time that should have come off from when the Memphis defender touched the ball (start the clock) to the time the suit/tie caught the ball (whistle; stop the clock). How come no one brought up the fact the time didn't do his/her job!? Whew!

The problem is the T blew his whistle prior to the ball touching out of bounds. So the question becomes, is the clock reset to when the whistle blew or when the ball touched OB.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

The problem is the T blew his whistle prior to the ball touching out of bounds. So the question becomes, is the clock reset to when the whistle blew or when the ball touched OB.

And the answer is when the ball touches OOB. The whistle isn't relevant when the clock was never started at all.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And the answer is when the ball touches OOB. The whistle isn't relevant when the clock was never started at all.

Well, let me ask this theoretical question. What would happen if the T admitted he called the ball OB on the bounce (ie the bounce hit the line) after the legal touch IB, then the R reviewed the play and said, oh no, the ball did not go OB by hitting the line, it went OB when it touched the first media row. What should they do?

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And the answer is when the ball touches OOB. The whistle isn't relevant when the clock was never started at all.

Huh? What backs up your statement - ball is dead when whistled dead... T whistled and indicated A&M ball before OOB actually happened.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

Huh? What backs up your statement - ball is dead when whistled dead... T whistled and indicated A&M ball before OOB actually happened.

We are back to your original question and no one, yet, has an answer.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

We are back to your original question and no one, yet, has an answer.

I'll certainly defer to other officials, given my relative lack of experience, but I'm certain it has been drilled over and over on this forum that the whistle causes the ball to be dead. I'm surprised the official signaled and whistled so early, but there were clearly, imo, timer and official errors on that play. How do you ignore the official's clear signal? What rule backs up ignoring the official's whistle/signal?
My brother's an Aggie, but I love him anyway!

[sseltser]

For what its worth:

Suppose a player on Memphis saves the ball between the whistle and when it was caught oob. In this case, do we wait until 3.1 has elapsed and say the game is over. I mean we have to wait until the ball touches oob. What youre saying (to igore the whistle) is rediculous. You must time from when the ball was touched until either:
(a) the ball 'hit' the line (if that is what the calling official ruled); or
(b) the whistle (if he mistakenly blew his whistle).
Waiting for it to hit the table is NOT an option.

[Coach Jinx]

As soon as I saw them taking so long looking at the monitor & saw the R with a stop watch I knew they were going to do what they did, I was just hoping they didn't. It was a very bad move by the R for several reasons. I know people are going to defend him but it was a BAD call to take away the 1.1 instead of maybe .2 or 3. First the T blew the whistle & pointed at the line saying he had the ball touched & then hitting the line making it out of bounds. You can see him pointing at the ground clear as day. Next just like in football you need a angle that is looking straight down the line to say for sure the ball did or did not hit the line. I watched the game on a 61 HDTV DVR played it over & over frame by frame & would not put my life on it that the ball hit inbounds. Take .2 off & know one on either team is going to say a word about it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coach Jinx

As soon as I saw them taking so long looking at the monitor & saw the R with a stop watch I knew they were going to do what they did, I was just hoping they didn't. It was a very bad move by the R for several reasons. I know people are going to defend him but it was a BAD call to take away the 1.1 instead of maybe .2 or 3. First the T blew the whistle & pointed at the line saying he had the ball touched & then hitting the line making it out of bounds. You can see him pointing at the ground clear as day. Next just like in football you need a angle that is looking straight down the line to say for sure the ball did or did not hit the line. I watched the game on a 61 HDTV DVR played it over & over frame by frame & would not put my life on it that the ball hit inbounds. Take .2 off & know one on either team is going to say a word about it.

Sigh....

Another fanboy with a 61" tv sitting on his fat butt in his la-z-boy that thinks he knows more that 4 of the best officials in the country. That's four officials who have a monitor and instant replay too.

Every year......

Yes, coach. The mean ol' officials screwed your team. They did it deliberately too. Happy now?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sigh....

Another fanboy with a 61" tv sitting on his fat butt in his la-z-boy that thinks he knows more that 4 of the best officials in the country. That's four officials who have a monitor and instant replay too.

Every year......

Yes, coach. The mean ol' officials screwed your team. They did it deliberately too. Happy now?

Uh, you forgot that it was an HDTV as well....

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sigh....

Another fanboy with a 61" tv sitting on his fat butt in his la-z-boy that thinks he knows more that 4 of the best officials in the country. That's four officials who have a monitor and instant replay too.

Every year......

Yes, coach. The mean ol' officials screwed your team. They did it deliberately too. Happy now?

So, everyone who asks for clarification gets your insults?

No one said the officials were wrong,,,we just asked for the rule book citation...
You have yet to cite it.

[Coach Jinx]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sigh....

Another fanboy with a 61" tv sitting on his fat butt in his la-z-boy that thinks he knows more that 4 of the best officials in the country. That's four officials who have a monitor and instant replay too.

Every year......

Yes, coach. The mean ol' officials screwed your team. They did it deliberately too. Happy now?

Nice try lil guy. First I'm not a fan of either team. I love the game of basketball(played D1)but think the officiating of the games are not very good. I have my name as coach so I can argue back & fourth with clowns like you. I am a varsity baseball coach but spend July thru Dec. officiating the best game in the world with the best OFFICIALS in the world FOOTBALL. They watched that replay on a 10in. monitor without a good angle. Also you fools keep saying the clock didn't start...HOW do you know for sure it didn't start. What if it was at 3.197 & went to 3.102. You can start & stop the clock without a tength going off. Strange but possible. If anyone wants to argue anymore I'll be at MSU @ Honigs clinic next month, I'll be the best looking guy there.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Coach Jinx

As soon as I saw them taking so long looking at the monitor & saw the R with a stop watch I knew they were going to do what they did, I was just hoping they didn't.

Why is it a bad move to take the proper amount of time off the clock? How is it fair to the defense to only take off a .2 or .3?

It was a very bad move by the R for several reasons. I know people are going to defend him but it was a BAD call to take away the 1.1 instead of maybe .2 or 3.

Would you like to bet that he'll be working on Saturday or Sunday?

First the T blew the whistle & pointed at the line saying he had the ball touched & then hitting the line making it out of bounds. You can see him pointing at the ground clear as day.

You heard the whistle?

Next just like in football you need a angle that is looking straight down the line to say for sure the ball did or did not hit the line. I watched the game on a 61 HDTV DVR played it over & over frame by frame & would not put my life on it that the ball hit inbounds.

Neither would I. i would make such a silly statement. But the ball definitely hit inbounds. it wasn't even close.

Take .2 off & know one on either team is going to say a word about it.

Is that how you make calls, based on whether someone is going to say something or not?

The clock didn't properly start. The officials must determine how much time lapsed from the time it was touched inbounds until it was touched OOB. That's what they did. The rest is just BS. I promise, Hank Nihols will back the call.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Why is it a bad move to take the proper amount of time off the clock? How is it fair to the defense to only take off a .2 or .3?



Would you like to bet that he'll be working on Saturday or Sunday?



You heard the whistle?



Neither would I. i would make such a silly statement. But the ball definitely hit inbounds. it wasn't even close.



Is that how you make calls, based on whether someone is going to say something or not?

The clock didn't properly start. The officials must determine how much time lapsed from the time it was touched inbounds until it was touched OOB. That's what they did. The rest is just BS. I promise, Hank Nihols will back the call.

I agree with you on everything....but I believe I did hear the whistle on replay several times. Not certain.