Record for T's in one night?

[Richard Ogg]

Originally posted by rockyroad
...visiting players spent whole time during shots telling me how sorry they were and how embarrassed they were...

I hope you were able to respond in a way that encouraged them. They demonstrated the character that their coaches did have. Isn't that a primary purpose for this stuff? to build character? As frustrating as the situation is, those kind of interactions with the players encourages me.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

For the officials who were upset with my three for the price of one situation. You have to remember, that his was in the Ohio Games. These were not school teams but AAU and YBOA type teams. The team were getting thier clocks cleaned, the players were indeed jerking around, and their coach had already received a T from my partner. And yes, A1 was ejected for receiving two T's. At this point the coach for the first time in the game got control of himself and his team and we finished the game without incident.

This is a situation that you would be hard pressed to find happen in a high school or college game. I have officiated AAU and YBOA nationals for a number years and I doubt a game would deteriorate to the nonsense of the two players in my play.

[crew]

it doesnt matter what level of ball you are officiating or what state. officiating takes a talent combined with rules knowledge and common sense. not just veteran, but great officials know when to use "game management" in a situations like this. this particular article that you wrote (and defended) gives the perception of you as a "t" happy official and having a 1 dimensional view of the game. be careful not to come off as braggadocious about teching and ejecting players on a play as simple as this!

[Tim Roden]

Back on the subject of how many T's. I called a game between the last two undefeated teams in a double elimination tournament last night. My partner had Three, all on players for taunting. Two were your garden variety After the foul, the foulee gives the "take that" taunt to the fouler. shoot one and ones on this end techs on that end. We also had two intentionals. One at the buzzer which we didn't record because the wrong team did it. The final score was a two point spread. Real ugly.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I do not know about most technical fouls, but I have on situation that sticks out for me:

A number of years ago in the Regionals of the Ohio Games (Olympics style state games) in a boys 16U game: Team A is getting their clocks cleaned when A1 steals the ball. A2 runs down the court ahead of him and (I am not lying) gets down on his hands and knees and lets A1 jump off his back and then A1 dunks the ball. I immediately whistled the ball dead and T'ed A1 and A2 for violating NFHS R10-S3-A8e, and I T'ed A1 for violating NFHS R10-S3-A5. The second T on A1 was for dunking a dead ball and the false multiple T's were for climbing or or lifting a teammate to secure a greater height. Three T's for the price of one, it does not get any better than that.

Whoa. A "is getting their clocks cleaned" and you stop the
game for 6 FT's for B for this? If this is *my* game I'm
gonna stop it to get their autograph on the game ball.

Mark, maybe you need to work on finding the joy in life.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by rockyroad
...8 free throws later, the home team inbounds ball and runs out the clock to win by 7...visiting players spent whole time during shots telling me how sorry they were and how embarrassed they were...

Wow, this coach also needs to find the joy in life. Anyway
I believe this is the essential difference between boys/mens
basketball & girls/women's basketball. If this were a men's
juco game you would have ended up tossing at least 3
players too!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Dan,

It was easy to stop the game. It was a running clock game. You do not think I stopped the clock for all of this happy horse manure. It just meant, that for a couple of minutes in a game that was a rout, that my partner and I did not have to run up and down the court.

[Oz Referee]

Originally posted by JeffRef

Duane, assuming you were reffing FIBA rules...Upon tossing the coach you are calling a "Disqualifying" foul (not a "T") which results in an ejection and 2 plus the ball. The coach is now now longer part of the contest. You're second foul ("T")is not possible and therefore you only shoot 2 shots and give possession to Team B. Why did they shoot 4 shots?

You know that. I know that. The coach didn't. All he knew was that 2 T's was an automatic ejection, and he thought that was the only way he could get tossed. So I was happy to oblige him and call two T's rather than the one Disqaulifying foul.

On the same point - even if I had Dq'd him, if he continues swearing as he is leaving the court, can't I assess him with a T (which would go against the bench, rather than the coach)?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Dan,

It was easy to stop the game. It was a running clock game. You do not think I stopped the clock for all of this happy horse manure. It just meant, that for a couple of minutes in a game that was a rout, that my partner and I did not have to run up and down the court.

Hmmm, good thinking!

[donfowler]

Rec leagues can't count for any records. No one ever keeps those records. The players are either just learning or has beens. The coachs REALLY have no idea what they are doing. The administration is doing their best to take these two point into a proper working enviroment. I had 7 in one game about two months ago.

In another light, what is the fastest anyone has called a T on a coach. My best was from about 10 years ago. HS boys game with 8 min quarters. Vistors get opening tap and scores. Full court press. Steals in bounds and scores. Steals in bounds and scores again. A1 dribbles inbound pass off his foot right in front of his bench. I have throw-in and coach tells me I'm the "worst F@#%*g ref" he has ever seen. 7:42 on clock when I report T to the table.

"Sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do."

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by donfowler
I have throw-in and coach tells me I'm the "worst F@#%*g ref" he has ever seen. 7:42 on clock when I report T to the table.

I hope you deemed it flagrant and tossed that F@#%*g coach. I would have tossed his F@#%*g a** right out of the F@#%*g gym into the F@#%*g street!!! And probably his F@#%*g assistant, too!

[rockyroad]

And his f*&%#%@& trainer too!! I was in the stands at a HS tournament - one of those Christmas things, and watched a good friend call a T on the home coach 9 seconds into the game...toss and home team controls tap, run down floor and pass into post who turns, shoots, gets it blocked off her face and oob...ref calls visitor ball...home coach jumps up, stamps his cowboy booted foot, and yells "Great, the first play of the game and you screw us twice!" Ref blows whistle, signals T and says "Make it three, coach"...fastest T I have ever seen...

[bossref]

I am a new member, but I think I've got one that
nobody can top!
Around 1987 NCAA Div 3 Men's game
Menlo at UCSD (UC San Diego)
Rule was one T for anyone involved, including bench personnel .
Unbeknownst to us, the two teams had problems at Menlo.
We had a player score and turn around, running into
an opponent. They squared up, threw punches, and the party was ON!
After doing an accounting of everyone involved,
we had 13 Ts against Menlo and 2 Ts against UCSD.
The UCSD coach had forewarned his players to NOT
get up from the bench if something happened.
Without the clock moving: Rob Rittgers from UCSD
hit 26 freethrows in a row (30 for 30 in the game).
UCSD went from down a bunch (more than 10)to up and Menlo lost its coach.
There's much more to the story.
I (Barry Alman) worked with Manny Gomes.
I believe that several records were broken,
including some of Pete Maravich's.
It's a good thing that they changed that rule!

[rockyroad]

HOLY CRAP!!! Barry wins!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by donfowler
7:42 on clock when I report T to the table.

That's quick, all right, but how about this story. I've posted it before, but it's one of my favorites. This happened probably 7 or 8 years ago in an Indiana varsity HS game (at which I was not present, but read the paper account).

Teams come out for layup lines before the start of the game, with officials on the court. The first 3 players in the line all dunk the ball. Three T's, three indirects on the coach and the coach is ejected 10 minutes before the game begins. (I almost typed "before they jump it up"; but of course, they didn't!)

Apparently, the players were disgruntled with the way the coach had done things in a practice earlier in the week. This was their way of showing the coach their displeasure. I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall at halftime in that locker room!

Chuck