Rule 4-40 - Screen [and forum searches?]

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

While what you describe may be an "illegal screen," in order to have a foul here, you must have CONTACT.

I disagree. The rule defines an illegal screen from behind as something which depends on giving ample opportunity to avoid contact - by definition, such a screen may be illegal with or without contact.
4-40-4: When screening a station opponent from behind, the screener must allow the opponent one normal step backward without contact. ...in other words, the screen is illegal if it does not allow one normal step backward - without a case play demonstrating that contact is required, I say the screen is illegal simply based on how it is set up.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

I disagree. The rule defines an illegal screen from behind as something which depends on giving ample opportunity to avoid contact - by definition, such a screen may be illegal with or without contact.
4-40-4: When screening a station opponent from behind, the screener must allow the opponent one normal step backward without contact. ...in other words, the screen is illegal if it does not allow one normal step backward - without a case play demonstrating that contact is required, I say the screen is illegal simply based on how it is set up.

Read rule 4-19-1. You can't have ANY personal foul without contact. That is an absolute rules basic, jk. Aamof, they put it down in the rule book as being a basic. Look on p.74--Basketball Rules Fundamentals. Fundamental #10 says "Personal fouls ALWAYS involve ILLEGAL CONTACT and occur during a live ball, except a common foul by or on an airborne shooter".

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

I disagree. The rule defines an illegal screen from behind as something which depends on giving ample opportunity to avoid contact - by definition, such a screen may be illegal with or without contact.
4-40-4: When screening a station opponent from behind, the screener must allow the opponent one normal step backward without contact. ...in other words, the screen is illegal if it does not allow one normal step backward - without a case play demonstrating that contact is required, I say the screen is illegal simply based on how it is set up.

The rule is saying that if a player sets such a screen and IF there is contact, the screener is responsible for any illegal contact. NO contact, NO foul.

MTD, Sr.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

I disagree. The rule defines an illegal screen from behind as something which depends on giving ample opportunity to avoid contact - by definition, such a screen may be illegal with or without contact.
4-40-4: When screening a station opponent from behind, the screener must allow the opponent one normal step backward without contact. ...in other words, the screen is illegal if it does not allow one normal step backward - without a case play demonstrating that contact is required, I say the screen is illegal simply based on how it is set up.

What is the hand and arm signal for an illegal screen without contact?

[Adam]

jkjenning; where do the rules prescribe a penalty for an "illegal screen?"
You can search rule 9 all day long, and you won't find a penalty for a violation called "illegal screen." In rule 10, you find it.
10-6-3 tells what a screener cannot do, and the proceeds to say, "If the screener violates any of these provisions and contact results, he/she has committed a personal foul."

Bottom line, contact is necessary for a personal foul, and we don't need a case play or POE from the Fed.