Oden Intentional Foul

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Oden's foul was an intentional foul no matter at what level the game was and no matter at what time of the game it happened. I am really disappointed that an intentional foul was not called and I am a Buckeye fan.

MTD, Sr.

THe go cry somewhere else fanboy.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

THe go cry somewhere else fanboy.

Who said I was crying, just because I was rooting for OSU doesn't mean I don't want the game officiated correctly. It was an ugly foul and made OSU look bad.

MTD, Sr.

[JugglingReferee]

Looking at the foul again in the sports highlights, and heading the panel on ESPN's Reporters, I think it should have been called an INT. I believe that this culture of it not being an INT is not in the best interest of the game.

[tomegun]

I have noticed a slant towards what should happen instead of what does happen. I have also noticed plenty of over-officiating at times. For instance, Pat Driscoll (I think that is his name) is the Jim Carey of officiating. Waiving off literally nothing after he calls a foul. He would just wave something off when there wasn't a shot and his leg would come off the ground like.....

In the Ohio State game in particular, there was a couple of times where a play was right in front of Les Jones (at the L) and a whistle would come from somewhere else. Forget about getting a call right, I know he was wondering what was going on.

[Larks]

"I just look at that foul as, they’re going to call bull crap fouls," Oden said. "I might as well get one that’s hard."

[Larks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn6CyCuFkgw

Video of the push

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Larks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn6CyCuFkgw

Video of the push

Intentional foul - no question now.

[DC_Ref12]

I think the mere fact that Oden himself said it was intentional is enough for me.

So...is it still "you just don't call that"?

He kicked it, plain and simple.

[wvref1]

I only work football, not basketball, but what I loved was the comment by one of the studio announcers that he was going for the ball. What, with his forearms and elbows?

[mplagrow]

Don't be so quick to judge! Read the YouTube comments. The Ohio State fanboys do a GREAT job of explaining why it wasn't an intentional foul.

[sj]

Just another aspect of this that I haven't heard anyone say anything about. it might be meaningless but on the youtube video you can see the Lead point his right hand at the play when it looks like Oden contacts the Xaviers players arm after he got the rebound. He raises his right arm but there was no whistle and no left arm raised and then he drops his right hand. Then the push comes and the whistle and foul is called. I guess it's hard to say but it looks like he saw the contact on the rebounder's arm and had a notion to call it but passed. And then the push came. Anybody see it like that or what do you think the first point by L was about? It might be meaningless but I just noticed it and was wondering.

[Adam]

Even if they called some initial foul first, then you should go with the intentional technical after that. That's an easy X and borderline flagrant at the high school level. IN HS, I'd probably call the X and tell his captain to settle him down.

[Larks]

I think it was intentional BUT I also think that if X does any one of 4 things they win:

1 - dont turn the ball over in the last min of regulation on a throw in. (and then foul the layup!!)
OR
2 - Cage makes his last free throw
OR
3 - Run a bigger lineup to get better pressure on the last shot in regulation.
OR
4 - Foul with 3 seconds left putting OSU on the line for 2 when they are down 3 and take your chances.

Course - thats not the point of this thread. I think the point of "its intentional except under conditions A B or C" is an awfully slippery slope.

[M&M Guy]

Just another couple of comments - if you watch the position of the L, he ends up inside the lane, and I believe he and the C were probably straight-lined on the push. It's very possible neither one saw the actual push, only the result of the player going OOB.

Also, and this might belong in the Stupid Announcer Comments thread, Jay Bilas was on the radio this morning and mentioned he thought the Xavier player flopped. Hmm, maybe that explains why the intentional wasn't called.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Also, and this might belong in the Stupid Announcer Comments thread, Jay Bilas was on the radio this morning and mentioned he thought the Xavier player flopped. Hmm, maybe that explains why the intentional wasn't called.

Hmm . . . and where did Bilas go to college?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPBJ_6y_5A