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Old Wed Mar 14, 2007, 10:27pm
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Why is that team shooting a double bonus when there are only 6 team fouls recorded on the board? Why didn't the trail close down on the 2nd free throw attempt? He is actually backing up! I will cut a lot more slack to officials if they are hustling. These two guys were just plain lazy.
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2007, 11:49pm
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Despite the fact that we know that the wrong decision was made on the last shot, I can't find a great deal of fault with the Trail official. (The LEAD is a whole different matter!)

I can cut him some slack because in a two-person crew, the Trail must be behind the play as the ball is being brought up the court and since the offensive is pushing it up fast due to there being only a few seconds left he doesn't have time to get a good angle on the ball hitting the pole above the backboard. He would need to be more in front of the team bench to have a quality look at that. Could he have continued his run and gotten down there? Maybe, but would most people? Probably not.

Instead he is almost straight on and probably can't tell if the ball is going straight up or hit the pole and came back a bit. Plus the gym wall behind the backboard is painted white and so it the pole. This lack of contrast doesn't help the official.
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Old Thu Mar 15, 2007, 12:50pm
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Despite the fact that we know that the wrong decision was made on the last shot, I can't find a great deal of fault with the Trail official. (The LEAD is a whole different matter!)

I can cut him some slack because in a two-person crew, the Trail must be behind the play as the ball is being brought up the court and since the offensive is pushing it up fast due to there being only a few seconds left he doesn't have time to get a good angle on the ball hitting the pole above the backboard. He would need to be more in front of the team bench to have a quality look at that. Could he have continued his run and gotten down there? Maybe, but would most people? Probably not.

Instead he is almost straight on and probably can't tell if the ball is going straight up or hit the pole and came back a bit. Plus the gym wall behind the backboard is painted white and so it the pole. This lack of contrast doesn't help the official.
I'm going to disagree here. The Lead should not be looking up at the shot. The shot from that area is the T's responsibility and in 2 man, the rim is always the T's responsibility.
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Old Thu Mar 15, 2007, 01:09pm
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Junker, I think he's faulting the lead for two things. First, for looking up. Second, for not going to get this call if he was looking up.
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Old Thu Mar 15, 2007, 02:14pm
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Junker, I think he's faulting the lead for two things. First, for looking up. Second, for not going to get this call if he was looking up.
Exactly. Junker, while the Lead should NOT have been looking there, he did not leave this play to his partner as he should have. You can see him on the video looking up there from directly under the basket! Since he did that why doesn't he come help his partner out with a game determining call? They could have discussed the play before leaving the floor.

I have a great deal of criticism for the Lead. It is the Trail that I can let slide because I can understand how he missed it.
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Old Thu Mar 15, 2007, 01:17pm
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I'm going to disagree here. The Lead should not be looking up at the shot. The shot from that area is the T's responsibility and in 2 man, the rim is always the T's responsibility.
That does not preclude the Lead from seeing or knowing the ball hit a support. I know I sometimes take a peek at this when the ball bounces high off the rim. Now that does not mean I would see it for sure, but I do take a peek when possible. Also I would not get on the Lead as if they should be watching this. This was a play better for 3 officials.

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Old Thu Mar 15, 2007, 02:59am
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Why is that team shooting a double bonus when there are only 6 team fouls recorded on the board?
That is an excellent observation. The scoreboard does show six team fouls for each team at the end of the game (4:10) on the video closeup. Perhaps that scoreboard doesn't go any higher than six or perhaps they blew that too.

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Old Thu Mar 15, 2007, 06:07am
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That is an excellent observation. The scoreboard does show six team fouls for each team at the end of the game (4:10) on the video closeup. Perhaps that scoreboard doesn't go any higher than six or perhaps they blew that too.
Say what?

The scoreboard isn't official. The scorebook is. It doesn't matter a lick what the scoreboard says about the number of fouls. All that counts is what is entered in the official scorebook. NFHS rule 2-11-11.
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Old Thu Mar 15, 2007, 08:38am
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The scoreboard does show six team fouls for each team at the end of the game (4:10) on the video closeup.
At the start of the video "Vikings" have 11 team fouls, "Visitor" has 6.
Then around the 1:30 mark (immediately after the officials were buzzed) the scoreboard shows 6 each... I'd say the clockkeeper had issues.
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