Conference Tournaments

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I dont know who the timer is but they've had trouble all day long!

Apparently I need to start contracting myself out at this time of year. (Actually did book for the A-10 Women's tourney a few years back - made a pretty penny over 4 days' of work.)

That said, I have seen a number of problems the past few days in arenas that use Precision Timing. Perhaps the batteries are wearing out with so many games each day?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Great game between Georgetown and Notre Dame today in the Big East semi. Hoyas pull it out 84-82.

For the GW bucket (by Georgtown) and foul (on ND), did anyone else think that the GT player travelled, or is that just me hating Georgetown?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

For the GW bucket (by Georgtown) and foul (on ND), did anyone else think that the GT player travelled, or is that just me hating Georgetown?

Go to hell!

[Nevadaref]

Buzzer beater 3 to send Miami (OH) to the big dance, but there seems to be a clock problem as it looks like it started late after the missed FT by Akron.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Buzzer beater 3 to send Miami (OH) to the big dance, but there seems to be a clock problem as it looks like it started late after the missed FT by Akron.

On my TV, the game is still on. What happened?

Oh, according to the announcers according to the "strict rules" of NCAA basketball, fans rushing the court when the game is not totally over is a technical foul.

Seems like a weird ending going on here. Should be interesting.

Hmm - 0.6 ran off during that? I think I'd have the clock at 0.3-0.4.

[Nevadaref]

The fans didn't rush the court. Only the players, coaches, and cheerleaders came out. Plus they didn't delay the game at all. So NO T.

However, the officials put 0.6 back on the clock, counted the 3, and gave Akron an endline throw-in. I don't see the logic in that. There was no time or maybe only 0.1 when the ball cleared the net. However, if since the clock started late, there would have to be absolutely nothing left, not more time.

[Nevadaref]

Now will Akron who was 26-7 get an at-large bid?

[Mark Dexter]

I actually didn't turn the game on until I saw your post here.

The announcer's quote made me look the rule up, though. Definately learned something new today.

A.R. 208. Team B leads, 67-66. A1’s two-point try for goal is successful. Two seconds remain on the game clock. Assuming that the successful try was a game-ending and winning goal, bench personnel and fans from Team A go onto the playing court to celebrate. RULING: When the celebration causes a delay by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or prevents continuous play, an indirect technical foul shall be assessed to the offending team. Any player from Team B shall attempt the two free throws and play shall resume at the point of interruption. When the celebration does not delay or interfere with play, the celebration shall be ignored.

Hmm - just saw the replay. I tend to agree - 0.1 on the clock and the "rushing the court" didn't delay the game, since the refs had to go to the monitor.

That said, I feel like the approved ruling should be clarified. First, I think that there should be a distinction between bench personnel and fans rushing the court. Second, I think that teams should not be penalized for celebrating when it appears that the game has actually ended. If you stupidly rush the court with 0.3 left on the clock, you deserve to get T'd up for not being able to read. If you think the game is over because the timer screwed up, then you shouldn't be penalized.

[Nevadaref]

Does anyone know if the officials in the Akron/Miami(OH) game were using Precision Timing? The game was played at Quicken Arena in Cleveland where the Cavs play.

I ask because I am curious as to whose responsibility it was to start the clock on the missed FT.

[Mark Dexter]

Hey, Nevada - has JT (the original) moved from his seat since last night's game?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Does anyone know if the officials in the Akron/Miami(OH) game were using Precision Timing? The game was played at Quicken Arena in Cleveland where the Cavs play.

I ask because I am curious as to whose responsibility it was to start the clock on the missed FT.

Just saw the full replay. I didn't get a great look, but it sure didn't look like the C was wearing a PT device.

EDIT: On the last throw-in (with 0.6 on the clock), the T administering the throw had one hand raised and the other was counting. I'm always shocked when conferences (or the NCAA) opt NOT to use Precision Timing when it's available.

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Just saw the full replay. I didn't get a great look, but it sure didn't look like the C was wearing a PT device.

I heard an announcer say that they don't use PT devices in the NCAA Tournament. Is that true? If so, does anyone know why that is? I see mostly ACC basketball and they've always used them. Are there some conferences that don't?

[Nevadaref]

That is true. BktBallRef provided that info a couple of years ago to the forum and the reason was that not all of the host sites had it, so the NCAA committee opted not to use it in any venue just so that all of the playing conditions were as equal as possible.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

I heard an announcer say that they don't use PT devices in the NCAA Tournament. Is that true? If so, does anyone know why that is? I see mostly ACC basketball and they've always used them. Are there some conferences that don't?

Past few years, they haven't used PT in any round of the NCAA's. The reason cited most often on this board is that, since not all NCAA sites have PT, they shouldn't use it at any site.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Just saw the full replay. I didn't get a great look, but it sure didn't look like the C was wearing a PT device.

EDIT: On the last throw-in (with 0.6 on the clock), the T administering the throw had one hand raised and the other was counting. I'm always shocked when conferences (or the NCAA) opt NOT to use Precision Timing when it's available.

Sharp eye, Mark. That should indicate that PT was not being used. Thanks.

PS I have a theory as to how the officials got 0.6 seconds to put back on the clock. I believe that they totally blew it logically. As you can see on the replays the game clock on the top of the backboard shows 0.0 or 0.1 as the ball goes through, so it didn't come from there. In the broadcast the R can be seen with a stopwatch in his right hand while kneeling in front of the monitor. I believe that he timed the interval between the tap on the missed FT and when the clock finally started and came up with 0.6. However, he then mistakenly believed that he had to ADD that time to the game clock instead of SUBTRACT it! So he ordered 0.6 put back and the last throw-in for Akron.

Does that seem plausible to anyone?