Conference Tournaments

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I just went to that video link and paused it as the ball is in the net. The clocks on the cubical display mounted above the backboard show 0.0, while the ESPN graphic clock in the lower right corner is showing 0.2 seconds. Thus there is actually a difference of TWO TENTHS of a second between the clocks! Not good. This is going to be a big deal since it could cost Akron an NCAA bid.

The more publicity this thing gets, the more the selection committee might feel pressured to grant Akron an at-large berth.

I think, unfortunately, it may be too late for that. Selection show starts in less than 18 hours; hard to get a sh*tstorm started that quickly, particularly when the event occurs late on a Saturday night.

As a friend of mine said, it would have made things much easier had that been a 2 point shot.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

From the ESPN article Dexter cited:

"At the scorer's table, officials used a stop watch to determine if the MAC title had been decided or not. They concluded that the clock should have started more quickly following Middleton's miss and sent both teams back on the floor."

So, I ask again, what kind of logic is that?

Don't these guys know the difference between addition and subtraction?

Sigh......

From the article......
- there was 6.6 seconds on the clock when the ball was touched on the missed FT. The clock was supposed to start then but didn't.
- the R used a stopwatch on the replay to determine that exactly 6.0 seconds elapsed from the touching on the FT to the time the made shot went through the net.
- the official got a grad from some other college than Georgetown or George Washington to subtract 6.0 seconds from 6.6 seconds, and he got the answer of 0.6 seconds.
- sooooooo....the R then put 0.6 seconds back on the clock.

It ain't nuclear physics. It also doesn't matter what any clock showed either.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

PS I have a theory as to how the officials got 0.6 seconds to put back on the clock. I believe that they totally blew it logically. As you can see on the replays the game clock on the top of the backboard shows 0.0 or 0.1 as the ball goes through, so it didn't come from there. In the broadcast the R can be seen with a stopwatch in his right hand while kneeling in front of the monitor. I believe that he timed the interval between the tap on the missed FT and when the clock finally started and came up with 0.6. However, he then mistakenly believed that he had to ADD that time to the game clock instead of SUBTRACT it! So he ordered 0.6 put back and the last throw-in for Akron.

Does that seem plausible to anyone?

No. The R timed the interval between the tap on the missed FT and when the made shot went through and came up with 6.0 seconds. That lets him know whether the shot actually was made in time and also how much time remained after the last basket went through. That's logical.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No. The R timed the interval between the tap on the missed FT and when the made shot went through and came up with 6.0 seconds. That lets him know whether the shot actually was made in time and also how much time remained after the last basket went through. That's logical.

That might have been what you would have done, and it would make perfect sense to do it that way, but please tell me how you know that is what the R on that game did?
The fact is you don't. You weren't there and you haven't spoken with him. So you can know. Perhaps what I posited is in fact what happened. You can't prove that it didn't.

However, it can be conclusively proven from the video that from the time the ball was first touched after the missed FT to when the ball passed through the basket took more than 6.0 seconds. Even ESPN has already demonstrated this. Their clock times 6.5 seconds from the first touch just to the release of the shot. Now how much more time do you think that it took the ball to fly through the air, hit the backboard, and then pass through the net? The answer isn't -0.5 seconds. So you've got this one wrong.

Lah you.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That might have been what you would have done, and it would make perfect sense to do it that way, but please tell me how you know that is what the R on that game did?
The fact is you don't. You weren't there and you haven't spoken with him. So you can know. Perhaps what I posited is in fact what happened. You can't prove that it didn't.

Sigh.....

Go back and read the damn ESPN article that was posted. The article states "Official Lamont Simpson explained the crew started the clock late but decided to add time when they determined the last play took 6 seconds".

"...they determined the last PLAY took 6 seconds."

Are you saying that Lamont is a liar?

If you'd spend more time comprehending than you do positing, you might have noticed that fact.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That might have been what you would have done, and it would make perfect sense to do it that way, but please tell me how you know that is what the R on that game did?
The fact is you don't. You weren't there and you haven't spoken with him. So you can know. Perhaps what I posited is in fact what happened. You can't prove that it didn't.

And furthermore......

From the Cleveland newspaper this morning....

http://www.cleveland.com/ohiocollege...610.xml&coll=2

"At the start of the missed free throw, there were 6.6 seconds on the clock." referee Lamont Simpson said. "On the missed free throw, the ball was touched with 6.6. The clock did not start. In order to get the correct time on the clock, we ran the play live and used a stopwatch. We started it on the touch and stopped it on the made basket, as the ball came through the net. We timed it live. The stopwatch read six seconds. We did it at least five times."

That's exactly the same as what was stated in the first report posted last night before you started positing.

[aepitaz]

So I was watching Akron vs Miami live with my Tivo last night. I still had the game on Tivo so I took out my stopwatch. I haven't got a clue as to how they got 6.0 seconds from the first touch until the ball hits the net. I personally get 7 or more every time.

Either way, I am looking forward to see some clarification on how this should be handled in future.

[Mark Dexter]

Jurassic - I think that ESPN.com story was updated. I read it a few times last night before posting, and did not see any mention of a quote from the referee.

That said, I went back to the video and timed the play myself. While I realize that the officiating crew had better equipment than I did, I never came up with anywhere near six seconds. My times (over 5 trials) ranged between 7.64 and 7.83 seconds, with a median of 7.70 seconds.

I think everyone realizes what the refs did to try to correct the mistake but, at this point, I have to think that they erred in doing so.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I think everyone realizes what the refs did to try to correct the mistake but, at this point, I have to think that they erred in doing so.

Another great......posit.

[Mark Dexter]

Trying to figure out who's on the court. I know Donnee Gray and Jim Burr. Can anyone tell who the third official is?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Jurassic - I think that ESPN.com story was updated. I read it a few times last night before posting, and did not see any mention of a quote from the referee.

That said, I went back to the video and timed the play myself. While I realize that the officiating crew had better equipment than I did, I never came up with anywhere near six seconds. My times (over 5 trials) ranged between 7.64 and 7.83 seconds, with a median of 7.70 seconds.

I think everyone realizes what the refs did to try to correct the mistake but, at this point, I have to think that they erred in doing so.

Agreed, that quote from Lamont Simpson wasn't in the article last night. I don't think that he is lying, I just think that he blew it with the stopwatch. Perhaps he stopped the watch when the ball entered the basket, instead of when it passed through the net.

[stmaryrams]

Ohio State clobbered Wisconsin by 17. This brings up two questions: Where will Wisconsin end up in the seedings and of course how good will Ohio State be next year with Jon Diebler in the line up?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by stmaryrams

Ohio State clobbered Wisconsin by 17. This brings up two questions: Where will Wisconsin end up in the seedings and of course how good will Ohio State be next year with Jon Diebler in the line up?

1. Probably a 2 seed.
2. Isn't he turning pro?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1) Agreed, that quote from Lamont Simpson wasn't in the article last night.

2) I don't think that he is lying, I just think that he blew it with the stopwatch.

1) Don't step in your posit.

2)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Trying to figure out who's on the court. I know Donnee Gray and Jim Burr. Can anyone tell who the third official is?

Ted Hilary.

Peace