State Championship Game mess up

[Nevadaref]

boiseball,
Just curious, but was this game done 2-man or 3-man?

[buckrog64]

Had this happen before. Partner called a foul and everyone in the gym thought it was in the act of shooting as did I. But he didn't indicate that the foul was before the shot and I ***/u/me it was a two shot foul. Long story short, it's all about communication and it's another lesson learned.

[boiseball]

2 man, everything in Idaho always has been, always will be, 2 man; hence, I pine everyday for Cleveland again and the joys of 3 man

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by boiseball

2 man, everything in Idaho always has been, always will be, 2 man; hence, I pine everyday for Cleveland again and the joys of 3 man

Even state games at the Idaho Center? I coulda sworn I saw 'em do 3 man there. Probably bad memory...

[boiseball]

from what I understand, and I am new to Idaho, this was my first year, but from what I understand they did 3 man for one year, sometime in the last 10 years and I have heard every excuse under the sun for why they immediately went back to 2 man

[iref4him]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

OFFICIALS PROVIDE ERRONEOUS INFORMATION
8.6.1 SITUATION: A1 is about to attempt the first of a one-and-one free-throw situation. The administering official steps in and erroneously informs players that two shots will be taken. A1's first attempt is unsuccessful. The missed shot is rebounded by: (a) B1, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; (b) A2, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; or (c) B2, with several players from both teams attempting to secure the rebound. The officials recognize their error at this point. RULING: In (a) and (b), the official's error clearly put one team at a disadvantage (players stood motionless and didn't attempt to rebound). Play should be whistled dead immediately and resumed using the alternating-possession procedure. In (c), both teams made an attempt to rebound despite the official's error and had an equal opportunity to gain possession of the rebound. Play should continue. (2-3)


But what if it isn't and the player who got the rebound scored first as in the OP? I don't see any provision in the rules for cancelling that goal.

Rule 2 Officials and Their Duties
Section 10 Correctable Errors


Article 1: Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in:

a. Failure to award a merited free throw.
b. Awarding an unmerited free throw.
c. Permitting a wrong player to attempt a free throw.
d. Attempting a free throw at the wrong basket.
e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

Article 2: In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.


Article 3: If in Article 1e the error is made while the clock is running and the ball dead, it must be recognized by an official before the second live ball.

Article 4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be canceled.

Article 5: Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, shall not be nullified. Errors because of free-throw attempts by the wrong player or at the wrong basket shall be corrected by applying 8-1 and 8-2.

THe basket should have counted and Team A gets the ball at the endline. No wrong player or basket or no awarding an unmerited free throw. Points count and the offiicals just take the heat.

[Indy_Ref]

Originally Posted by iref4him

Rule 2 Officials and Their Duties
Section 10 Correctable Errors


Article 1: Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in:

a. Failure to award a merited free throw.
b. Awarding an unmerited free throw.
c. Permitting a wrong player to attempt a free throw.
d. Attempting a free throw at the wrong basket.
e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

Article 2: In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.


Article 3: If in Article 1e the error is made while the clock is running and the ball dead, it must be recognized by an official before the second live ball.

Article 4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be canceled.

Article 5: Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, shall not be nullified. Errors because of free-throw attempts by the wrong player or at the wrong basket shall be corrected by applying 8-1 and 8-2.

THe basket should have counted and Team A gets the ball at the endline. No wrong player or basket or no awarding an unmerited free throw. Points count and the offiicals just take the heat.

DING...we have a winner!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by iref4him

THe basket should have counted and Team A gets the ball at the endline. No wrong player or basket or no awarding an unmerited free throw. Points count and the offiicals just take the heat.

That's not what the Fed wants us to do. They want us to get the play right. Whether you kill it before or after the rebound before or after a shot, get it right. That's why the rule reference is 2-3.

Do what you will. But not me.

[Nevadaref]

I agree with Tony's statement about the FED wanting us to get this right, but I believe that in order to implement the course of action outlined in the casebook, the officials need to blow a whistle and kill the play BEFORE the goal is scored. I have a hard time cancelling this goal even under 2-3, if the whistle isn't sounded until after it goes through the basket.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree with Tony's statement about the FED wanting us to get this right, but I believe that in order to implement the course of action outlined in the casebook, the officials need to blow a whistle and kill the play BEFORE the goal is scored. I have a hard time cancelling this goal even under 2-3, if the whistle isn't sounded until after it goes through the basket.

Agreed.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree with Tony's statement about the FED wanting us to get this right, but I believe that in order to implement the course of action outlined in the casebook, the officials need to blow a whistle and kill the play BEFORE the goal is scored. I have a hard time cancelling this goal even under 2-3, if the whistle isn't sounded until after it goes through the basket.

You're entitled to your opinion but personally, I don't think that makes any difference. There's nothing magical about this goal.

Now, if they would just make it a correctable error, which is what it should be, then they could clean it up very easily.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You're entitled to your opinion but personally, I don't think that makes any difference. There's nothing magical about this goal.

So let's say that A1 is shooting the FT and B2 grabs the uncontested rebound. He now fires the ball the length of the court to B3 who is standing under the other basket and he scores an easy go with everyone standing around because the administering official said 2 shots.

Is there anything magical about that goal or would you cancel it as well?