In Bounding the Ball

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

Thanks. I was extending what I remembered if the thrower puts the ball across the line and is tied up by a defender - held ball but the same team throws it in (6.4.5B); so if the thrower throws the ball in and a held ball results in whatever fashion, then the possession changes.

What BktBallRef said is correct, but I think that you have more or less got it.

Since you did say that the possession arrow with change when a held ball results after the throw-in ends, you were correct because a throw-in violation obviously doesn't result in a held ball. Just make sure that you don't mistake this particular throw-in violation for a held ball situation, which is what this would be if it were not for it happening during a throw-in (or when a FT is to follow = 1st of 2 shots or foul on a try which lodges [in those cases the lodging is ignored]).

PS
I corrected your terminology a tad because a held ball is what causes the AP arrow to be used, while a jump ball is what takes place at the start of the game and each extra period in the center restraining circle.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

No. It's not a held ball when the thrower lodges the ball, it's a violation. The thrower violates. That's why he loses the arrow.

Ahh - thanks!

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

...Just make sure that you don't mistake this particular throw-in violation for a held ball situation, which is what this would be if it were not for it happening during a throw-in (or when a FT is to follow = 1st of 2 shots or foul on a try which lodges [in those cases the lodging is ignored]).

PS
I corrected your terminology a tad because a held ball is what causes the AP arrow to be used, while a jump ball is what takes place at the start of the game and each extra period in the center restraining circle.

Subtleties reveal much. Hopefully this is straight in my mind and I will not automatically call a held ball every time the ball gets lodged. Regarding terminology, though, when the signal chart uses the verbage "Stop clock for jump/held ball", then it is not indicating the terms (jump/held) are equivalent, but confirming the same signal is used whether the held ball results in a re-jump (in which case it would be a jump ball) or a throw-in.

Thanks!

[BillyMac]

Many years ago, when I was a junior varsity official, I was watching the varsity game after my game and observed the following: Boys varsity, conference game, Friday night, big crowd, fans really into the game, giving the varsity officials a hard time. Ball becomes lodged between the basket and the backboard. Before any of the players try to get the ball down, one of the varsity officials, one of the shortest officials on our local board, runs in from midcourt, and jumps as high as he can to get the ball down, missing the ball, and the net, by a few feet. Fans get a good laugh out of this, and then proceed to give both officials less grief the rest of the game. After the game I talked to the varsity officials, and the shorter one said that he did that on purpose to "loosen up the crowd". It worked.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

Subtleties reveal much. Hopefully this is straight in my mind and I will not automatically call a held ball every time the ball gets lodged. Regarding terminology, though, when the signal chart uses the verbage "Stop clock for jump/held ball", then it is not indicating the terms (jump/held) are equivalent, but confirming the same signal is used whether the held ball results in a re-jump (in which case it would be a jump ball) or a throw-in.

Thanks!

You got it.