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I don't think three experienced NCAA officials are going to kick a Duke player out of a Carolina-Duke game unless they are 100% sure they are correct and are 100% sure the conference is going to back them up.
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Good call IMO. |
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I Agree !!!
From JRutledge: "I do not understand why people have to disagree and start name calling over a judgment."
JRutledge: I agree 100%. I'm relatively new to this Forum, so maybe I'm expecting too much from it. I would like to view this website as a place where basketball officials can professionally discuss and debate rules, plays, and interpretations, occassionally allowing some players, coaches, and fans to join in and participate. I find myself spending about 10% to 20% of my time on this Forum viewing personal attacks and name calling, which is, in my opinion, just a waste of my time. But, as I said, maybe I'm expecting too much from this Forum? |
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Gotta disagree. You popped off for no good reason. Your tone was aggressive, demeaning, and inflammatory. The best officials admit when they're wrong.
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Can we first agree that it is much easier to determine intent and what is combative action when there is no other action involved? (i.e. a play on the ball - attempted strip, block shot, etc) In general, I would say that blows that come from hands (open fist or not), forearms, elbows, knees, legs, or feet that outwardly strike an opponent, who is in a vulnerable position, in a manner that is deemed to cause harm or injury can be considered "combative". This is not an exhaustive or specific list (note I did not list a head-butting action - although that should clearly be construed as combative) of instances. This is certainly a determination that is subjective - like the vast majority of fouls/violations in basketball. Just because A1's hand hits B1's face does not make it a combative action (think about how many times an official stops play for an apparent injury because he ruled the contact inadvertant). Simply put, we'd both have to look at lots of plays/situations to determine if combative action took place. It's difficult to provide an all-inclusive list of actions that must be strictly adhered to. Hope that helps and or at least makes a little sense..... |
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Hmmm - guess you're right. The "joke" is lost on me.
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Right call. They had one look in real time so that's what they had to go on. I certainly don't know what all their conversation was but even if they weren't sure it was intentional/flagrant or not they erred on the side of caution so to speak and kicked him out. I can only imagine what it would be like in the press if they hadn't ejected him. I thought they did a good job of slowing everything down, discussing it among themselves and then talking to both coaches. It looked extremely professional. I know I learned something watching it.
I was waiting for Packer to say something about how the refs "let it get to this point and it was inevitable that somebody was gonna get hurt out there." He didn't although he's still an idiot. Last edited by sj; Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 10:32pm. |
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- I have played the game up to the college level (although I don't really think the level matters), although I must admit that I was not a prolific shot-blocker (since I was a 5'10" PG). - You're right about the instinctive reaction to visually follow the ball when you're in mid-air. The point that everyone is missing is that once airborne, Henderson received contact from Hansborough that knocked Henderson off-balance and caused him to instinctively begin to protect himself (for fearing of landing on something other than his feet first). At that point, it looked to me like he brought his focus and his arms/hands downward (he was no longer following the ball). He was attempting to protect himself, thus the downward arm movement that ultimately hit Hansborough in the face. The fact that his hand was open makes me further believe it was not intentional contact. You can certainly argue that severity of the contact alone will mean making the decision - I absolutely hope the officials made their decision WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES. I want them to make their decision based on the video "evidence". They should NOT include the "if we toss him, he'll miss their next game which is the ACC tournament opener - so let's not do that" argument...That type of thought process is what a lot of us don't like about the NBA. Anyway, I appreciate your respectful approach to the discussion... |
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