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Old Sun Feb 25, 2007, 10:58pm
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Dick Vitale and the Alternate Possession

Dick Vitale often (not as often as he used to) goes on and on about how he hates the alternate possession rule. He wants the old jump ball again. I think settling the issue via a jump ball is totally unfair (e.g. like when a 5'11 guard doubles down and ties up a 6'8 post player), and the alternate possession is as fair as you can get it. How do you officials feel about Vitale's comments?
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Old Sun Feb 25, 2007, 11:02pm
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I have no problem with the rule. I think the AP speeds up the game. I do not see the big deal.

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Old Sun Feb 25, 2007, 11:08pm
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His opinion. Makes no sense to me.
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Old Sun Feb 25, 2007, 11:09pm
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I have no problem with the rule. I think the AP speeds up the game. I do not see the big deal.

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Neither do I. I think it works fine.
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Old Sun Feb 25, 2007, 11:11pm
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I think you can line 10 guys up for a jump ball as fast as you can line them up for a throw in. But, you don't have nearly as many crooked tosses.
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Old Sun Feb 25, 2007, 11:14pm
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My opinion is that Dick Vitale isn't nearly the hoops expert he's marketed to be.
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Old Sun Feb 25, 2007, 11:23pm
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No, I Mean, No, Jump Balls

Back in the later part of the 20th century, we had jump ball for every held ball situation in the game, at one of three different jump ball circles, as well as at the start of each period, or overtime period. Back then, as an official, I knew every the jump ball violation rule like the back of my hand, chapter and verse. Coaches, including me, had several jump ball plays, depending on whether they thought they would win the jump ball or which jump ball circle was going to be used in reference to their basket. As an official, I worked on my toss, often trying to toss the ball through the basket from below.

Today, with the alternating possession rule, we usually have only one jump ball each game, about half the time I'm the referee, and about half the time I'm the umpire. To be completely honest with my fellow Forum members, if I weren't on my local association's training committee, I would probably have a hard time explaining all the various types of jump ball violations that can occur, and I know that, even then, it would be difficult for me to make some violation calls in the split second that we're allowed to determine if a violation did indeed occur. And I know for sure that I'm not as good in making the toss as I was before we went to the alternating possession rule.

Flip a coin. They do it in soccer and in football. Play rock, paper, scissors. Give the ball to the home team first. Give the ball to the visitors first. We got rid of Dr. Naismith's peach basket. Now let's get rid of the jump ball. Please. Pretty please.
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Old Sun Feb 25, 2007, 11:32pm
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Jump balls that used to occur in one teams front court were VERY chaotic. Guys moving around every where and not settling in.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2007, 12:02am
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My opinion is that Dick Vitale isn't nearly the hoops expert he's marketed to be.
Nope, Billy Packer is the BEST!

I always thought DickieV wanted to dump the AP for a held ball going to the defense. I don't think that would work either but better than a JB. I like it the way it is.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2007, 12:53am
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I like the AP. Like you guys said it speeds the game up. I was working a girls Varsity game about 2 weeks ago and we had 7.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2007, 01:37am
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I always thought DickieV wanted to dump the AP for a held ball going to the defense.
I believe this is correct. I love Vitale!! Even if I don't agree with all of his statements, you must love his energy.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2007, 02:33am
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Nope, Billy Packer is the BEST!

I always thought DickieV wanted to dump the AP for a held ball going to the defense. I don't think that would work either but better than a JB. I like it the way it is.
Well, they tried that just a few years ago (maybe it was experimental but I thought it was in place for a couple of seasons). It was a mess....a big mess. So, they reverted to the arrow.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2007, 08:43am
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I think you can line 10 guys up for a jump ball as fast as you can line them up for a throw in. But, you don't have nearly as many crooked tosses.
Have you ever seen how long it takes the NBA to line up for a jump ball, especially when it occurs in the free throw circle. Almost takes as long as a hockey face-off.
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Old Mon Feb 26, 2007, 10:16am
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I wouldn't mind seeing the jump ball come back to NCAA. There really aren't that many in the course of the game. I think the AP is probably right for high school, because you get so many more in sub-varsity games.
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