"Over-and-Back"....or Not?

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by imaref

Here you go rule buffs.....

Situation: Dribbler A1 is in his backcourt and passes the ball to teammate A2 who has jumped in the air from his team's frontcourt to catch the pass. A2 catches the pass while he is in the air and lands in his backcourt. Is this an "over-and-back" violation by A2? If not.....would you explain why it isn't, and/or cite the rule application for the 50% who don't know.

The only BC exceptions are in Rule 9-9-3.
Throw-in, Jump Ball and Defensive play. All require that Team Control does not exist and the player jumps from front court and both feet are off the ground.

[TimTaylor]

Absolutely a violation. Easy way to remember it is "you are where you are until you get where you are going". Location of an airborne player is same as where he/she last touched the floor.

[shave-tail]

A2 leaping from front court secures the ball before it crosses the half court line. Still have back court?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by shave-tail

A2 leaping from front court secures the ball before it crosses the half court line. Still have back court?

Yes - the ball is deemed to have achieved frontcourt status because it touched a player in the frontcourt (remember, A2 is considered in the frontcourt until he touches in the backcourt).

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by shave-tail

A2 leaping from front court secures the ball before it crosses the half court line. Still have back court?

Yes. A2 and the ball's position in the air relative to the half court line are of no consequence. Still a violation.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by shave-tail

A2 leaping from front court secures the ball before it crosses the half court line. Still have back court?

Most officials here know of the exceptions, I am making sure you do. Mark posted the correct call if the pass is not an inbound pass. Your sitch does not say where the pass came from. If an inbounding pass, it is allowed.

[imaref]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Most officials here know of the exceptions, I am making sure you do. Mark posted the correct call if the pass is not an inbound pass. Your sitch does not say where the pass came from. If an inbounding pass, it is allowed.

In my original posting.....I described the situation as A1 "dribbling" the ball in his backcourt when he passes the ball to A2 who catches the pass while in-the-air having left his frontcourt....then landing in his backcourt with the ball.

It appears that most of the responses are as I would rule it.....I mentioned to the person posing the question to me....after reading the many responses....if maybe he left something out of his description of what happened.....like maybe the pass from A1 to A2 got tipped or deflected by a member of Team B. (Then we have nothing....just A2 regaining control and a new 10-second count beginning while he's in backcourt.)

Oh well.....it appears we are all in agreement with the original situation being a violation.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by imaref

.like maybe the pass from A1 to A2 got tipped or deflected by a member of Team B. (Then we have nothing....just A2 regaining control and a new 10-second count beginning while he's in backcourt.)

Simply tipping or deflecting the ball by the defense does not end Team A's team control in the backcourt. Therefore, the 10-second count continues.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by imaref

In my original posting.....I described the situation as A1 "dribbling" the ball in his backcourt when he passes the ball to A2 who catches the pass while in-the-air having left his frontcourt....then landing in his backcourt with the ball.

It appears that most of the responses are as I would rule it.....I mentioned to the person posing the question to me....after reading the many responses....if maybe he left something out of his description of what happened.....like maybe the pass from A1 to A2 got tipped or deflected by a member of Team B. (Then we have nothing....just A2 regaining control and a new 10-second count beginning while he's in backcourt.)

Oh well.....it appears we are all in agreement with the original situation being a violation.

Correct (the last sentence), which is why I did not quote your OP. I qouted Mr. Tail's post hoping to signify my post applied to his post.

Read on for further correction.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by imaref

like maybe the pass from A1 to A2 got tipped or deflected by a member of Team B. (Then we have nothing....just A2 regaining control and a new 10-second count beginning while he's in backcourt.)

A tip doesn't matter (in this play). A still had team control. The ball still reached the FC. (when A2 touched the ball) A was still the last to touch (when A2 touched the ball). A was still the first to touch (when A2 landed).

[imaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A tip doesn't matter (in this play). A still had team control. The ball still reached the FC. (when A2 touched the ball) A was still the last to touch (when A2 touched the ball). A was still the first to touch (when A2 landed).

Ahhhh....."good pick-up!" Bob. My mistake.....you are absolutely correct.

Now I've got everyone totally confused.... You can see how this sitch got things stirred up when officials get-together and go over "war stories".

It still appears that most of us are still of the opinion that a violation occurred.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by imaref

In my original posting.....I described the situation as A1 "dribbling" the ball in his backcourt when he passes the ball to A2 who catches the pass while in-the-air having left his frontcourt....then landing in his backcourt with the ball.

It appears that most of the responses are as I would rule it.....I mentioned to the person posing the question to me....after reading the many responses....if maybe he left something out of his description of what happened.....like maybe the pass from A1 to A2 got tipped or deflected by a member of Team B. (Then we have nothing....just A2 regaining control and a new 10-second count beginning while he's in backcourt.)

Are you talking about the airborne catch and land? Still a violation even if the pass is tipped.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by imaref

....if maybe he left something out of his description of what happened.....like maybe the pass from A1 to A2 got tipped or deflected by a member of Team B. (Then we have nothing....just A2 regaining control and a new 10-second count beginning while he's in backcourt.)

Wrong. This is still a BC violation. Without regard to what happens in the BC, when A2 catches the ball, he has FC status. When he lands in the BC, it's a violation.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Wrong. This is still a BC violation. Without regard to what happens in the BC, when A2 catches the ball, he has FC status. When he lands in the BC, it's a violation.

imaref,

Think of it as: Last to touch in the frontcourt, first to touch in the backcourt. No different than if B slaps the ball out of A's hands off A's body into the backcourt. If A touches first, it's a violation.