Bob Knight's Latest Comments about College Officials

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Old School

Yes, because the mechanics of the NCAA Men's rulebook tells me too. How is the ref going to call a 10 second violation and he never displayed a count? That's not going to go over too good.

Someone please get me some Pepto, cause I'm about to agree with Old School.

I do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions. I've been burned a couple of times by late traps in the backcourt after thinking the dribbler was free and clear. Each time, the coach was on me about not doing the 10-second count. Coaches watch you do your count. They notice if you are or not, and they hold you accountable.

Even if every time down the court there is no pressure, doing the count will demonstrate to coaches, players and fans that you're taking your job - and the rules - seriously.

Just my $0.02.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

I do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions.
Just my $0.02.

Somehow I doubt that statement...so you are Lead as A4 shoots a long three. B5 rebounds and throws a quick outlet to B1 who races up the sideline...all of that took about 2 seconds max - and you counted? I don't think so...

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Somehow I doubt that statement...so you are Lead as A4 shoots a long three. B5 rebounds and throws a quick outlet to B1 who races up the sideline...all of that took about 2 seconds max - and you counted? I don't think so...

If you're asking if I've ever missed a 10-second count, yes, I have. Especially in an instance such as this one.

But, I do make a concerted effort to do the 10-second count no matter what the situation. And, I would consider missing the count in your example as a faux pas. A minor one, of course, but I try to be exact.

My point is that if you don't START the count correctly, you can NEVER finish it correctly or accurately. And you really never know what is going to happen in certain situations. As I said before, I could assume that the player with the ball is going to cross half court in plenty of time, but what do you do when the unexpected trap occurs, or the ball bounces of his foot and rolls away from him and the defense collapses or...or...or. Better to be safe than sorry.

ETA: I can understand what I implied by my earlier post. It should have read that I make a concerted effort to do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions. Sometimes you miss stuff, though. That's life.

[Junker]

I count every time in my high school games, even on a break away. I never count in my college games...but then I'm working on the women's side for now.

[Larks]

Anyone have a web link to the Knight article?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

I make a concerted effort to do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions. .

I like that staement a whole lot better...And I agree with you!

[Camron Rust]

Someone mentioned the issue of independant contractor status being the reason that the number of games per week could not be limited.

Its not that hard, the independant contract excuse is a red herring.

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.

[REFVA]

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.

I disagree with that statement. This is America, if an official is capable of doing multiple games in a week such as 6 games in 6 days why not? Basketball season is short. If the officials were not harrasses as much as we get, maybe you might be able to get more possible candidates in the pipeline. So there wouldn't be a shortage of potential officials.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I disagree with that statement. This is America, if an official is capable of doing multiple games in a week such as 6 games in 6 days why not?.

I made no claim about whether they should or should not be woring 6 days in a row. I only dispelled the claim that being indpendant contractors prevented a conference from putting "rest period" requirements on the officials. They could put anything they want in the contract. The officials that didn't want to abide by the terms wouldn't take the games.

Originally Posted by REFVA

Basketball season is short. If the officials were not harrasses as much as we get, maybe you might be able to get more possible candidates in the pipeline. So there wouldn't be a shortage of potential officials.

You really think there would be a shortage of officials wanting to work D1 games?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Someone mentioned the issue of independant contractor status being the reason that the number of games per week could not be limited.

Its not that hard, the independant contract excuse is a red herring.

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.

There are conferences that stipulate that you have to be in town the evening before if you have an afternoon game. But conferences would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did what you suggested. They would lose a lot of good out-of-region officials. You also have supervisors who assign for multiple conferences. Those conferences often schedule their games so that officials can work one night in one conference and the next night in the other conference.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by CamronRust

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.

Originally Posted by REFVA

I disagree with that statement. This is America, if an official is capable of doing multiple games in a week such as 6 games in 6 days why not?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

But conferences would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did what you suggested. They would lose a lot of good out-of-region officials.

Respectfully, I think you guys are missing Camron's point. I don't think he's advocating the contract stipulations. I think he's merely pointing out that being an "independent contractor" has limits that can be worked into the contract.

The statement "Conferences can't limit the number of games an official works because he/she is an independent contractor" is not true. I think that was Camron's only point.

Am I right, Camron? If so, where's my cookie?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There are conferences that stipulate that you have to be in town the evening before if you have an afternoon game. But conferences would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did what you suggested. They would lose a lot of good out-of-region officials. You also have supervisors who assign for multiple conferences. Those conferences often schedule their games so that officials can work one night in one conference and the next night in the other conference.

If the smaller leagues did it without the top leagues, it would hurt the smaller leagues.

But, if the top conferences made it a requirement for thier leages, do you really think those top officials would chose to give up the ACC, SEC, PAC10, etc. games and, instead, take the Mid-America, Big Sky, etc. games?

Sure, that would keep the top officials from working the smaller conferences in between the bigger games...but the ACC, SEC, etc. would not be that concerned for the officiating of the smaller conferences. They primarily care about thier own games.