Flagrant foul ejection

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

I thought OS demoted this to a warning!

He may have, but I can't read what is being ignored.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by billyc8037

it IS entirely possible that the officials I have seen call INTENTIONAL fouls using the FLAGRANT foul designation.

thanks all for the clarification!

The signal for an intentional foul is two arms crossed to make an X. There is no designated signal for a flagrant foul unless you want to include the heave-ho baseball signal used by some.

[Ignats75]

I haven't had an ejection in a high school game since my first season 4 years ago in a girl's JV game. I used the baseball mechanic to signal the ejection while addressing the table as it calmed down the visitor's bench and fans who were screaming for the ejection. After separating the girls I told the offending player to go to her bench, but didn't tell her she was ejected until the table was notified to keep the problem from re-escalating. I was told by the varsity officials that if wanted to do baseball, do it but leave the baseball mechanics outside. I would probably use the signal again as I think its universally understood and communicates to everyone what happened.

[howie719]

Why have a mechcanic for intentional and not for flagarant? Signals denote our intention. Not that player ejections happen often, but when they do it's usually an emotional situation. I think they could come up with something. Anyone have thoughts on what mechcanic we could use. FWIW I wouldn't want the baseball toss.

[Ignats75]

Howie,

I have seen other referees point off the court...That might work. Sort of like when I'm yelling at my dog to go outside.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by howie719

Why have a mechcanic for intentional and not for flagarant? Signals denote our intention. Not that player ejections happen often, but when they do it's usually an emotional situation.

I think that you may have just answered your own question. Maybe the FED doesn't want officials to use a signal that might possibly inflame emotions. Just calmly take care of bidness. Inform everybody of what's happening, but don't put on a show.

[howie719]

I not saying it's wrong to point him/her out. To me it just seems like that makes it kind of personal. which may ignite an already flammable situation. But if we had a mechcanic, that would give an automatic indication to both benchs what is happening. People will most likely be freaking out anyway, it may give you the time you need to get your paperwork done. JMO

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by howie719

People will most likely be freaking out anyway, it may give you the time you need to get your paperwork done. JMO

People freaking out should never be a factor. If they freak out at you, just call the "T". There's nothing wrong with a baseball heave either to show the ejection imo. Just don't be over-dramatic with it. And then just calmly inform the coaches why the ejection occurred.

I was just guessing why the FED doesn't have a formal ejection signal, is all.

Your paperwork gets done after the game. The scorer does the paperwork during the game. Just tell the scorer to note the player #, the time and a reason somewhere on the sheet.