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billyc8037 Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:37pm

Flagrant foul ejection
 
hello;
today i read in a post that someone had ejected a player on two seperate ocassions for flagrant fouls. would you clarify for me when it is adviseable to eject a player for a flagrant foul?... thanks a million!:confused:

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:43pm

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Originally Posted by billyc8037
hello;
today i read in a post that someone had ejected a player on two seperate ocassions for flagrant fouls. would you clarify for me when it is adviseable to eject a player for a flagrant foul?... thanks a million!:confused:

Ummm, since that's the rule.....always.

Snake~eyes Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:43pm

Any act deemed flagrant by the official, such acts could include swinging at an opponent, tackling an opponent when going for a layup, extreme profanity towards an official, throwing the ball excessively towards a player/offficial... just to name a few.

Adam Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:43pm

Generally, when it's a fight.
Othertimes are when the contact so severe it had to be meant to hurt someone; or when you can simply see the malicious intent in the player.
Or, if a coach threatens that you'll never work one of his games again; or if a player drops a string of obscenities directed towards you and your family.

billyc8037 Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:51pm

flagrant foul ejection
 
hmmmm.

i have seen several officials call a "flagrant" foul WITHOUT ejecting a player.

JRutledge Sun Feb 18, 2007 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by billyc8037
hmmmm.

i have seen several officials call a "flagrant" foul WITHOUT ejecting a player.

The NBA has a rule where you can call a flagrant foul and not eject someone. At the NCAA and NF, flagrant fouls are ejectable offenses only.

Peace

ranjo Sun Feb 18, 2007 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by billyc8037
hmmmm.

i have seen several officials call a "flagrant" foul WITHOUT ejecting a player.


Is it possible an intentional foul was called instead of a flagrant? This results in two shots for the offended player and the ball back at the spot of the foul.

BktBallRef Sun Feb 18, 2007 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by billyc8037
hmmmm.

i have seen several officials call a "flagrant" foul WITHOUT ejecting a player.

Not unless it was an NBA game.

billyc8037 Sun Feb 18, 2007 05:07pm

Intentional vs. Flagrant
 
it IS entirely possible that the officials I have seen call INTENTIONAL fouls using the FLAGRANT foul designation.

thanks all for the clarification!

BktBallRef Sun Feb 18, 2007 05:19pm

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Originally Posted by billyc8037
it IS entirely possible that the officials I have seen call INTENTIONAL fouls using the FLAGRANT foul designation.

thanks all for the clarification!

There's no such thing as a "flagrant foul designation."

What designation do you think you saw?

NathanRT Sun Feb 18, 2007 08:32pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
There's no such thing as a "flagrant foul designation."

What designation do you think you saw?


No, not in HS. But some HS official seem to watch too much NBA and refer to an intentional as a "flagrant" foul. Unfortunately I've seen it happen more than once. Thankfully I haven't yet worked with someone who was that mixed up...hopefully never will.

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 18, 2007 09:07pm

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Originally Posted by billyc8037
it IS entirely possible that the officials I have seen call INTENTIONAL fouls using the FLAGRANT foul designation.

thanks all for the clarification!


If you are familiar with the signal umpires use to toss Lou Piniella out of a game then you would recognize a basketball official designating a foul as flagrant resulting in ejection.

M&M Guy Sun Feb 18, 2007 09:15pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
If you are familiar with the signal umpires use to toss Lou Piniella out of a game then you would recognize a basketball official designating a foul as flagrant resulting in ejection.

What?! Has he been ejected <B>already</B>?!

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:18pm

Although "pitchers & catchers" reporting is the un-official start to the season. "Umpires & Managers" reporting precedes that. ;)

mplagrow Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:23pm

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Originally Posted by Snake~eyes
extreme profanity towards an official,


I thought OS demoted this to a warning!


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