Unusual Strategy Involving the 10 Second Count

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You might want to re-read the original post. That will give you your answer.

Well, fine, if you want to be a stickler for things like facts.

How about if there's no rule about defense in the backcourt and the same thing happens?

[BktBallRef]

A totally different situation.

[Texas Aggie]

there's absolutely no reason 10-1-5 can't be used in this situation

Except for the fact that it in no way applies, I guess you can't.

Look, in the situation given, that of having additional, non-Fed rules, I *guess* one could say the offense is gaining an advantage by staying in the backcourt if the defense isn't allowed back there. I personally don't think that's an unreasonable interpretation, but then again, I don't know because I don't know how the additional rule is worded. As I again said, there's little to no chance this would happen in a plain Fed rule game, but if it does, its legal.

Nothing to do with legalease. 10-1-5 just doesn't apply.

Does 10-1-5 apply to a offensive team that stands just inside the division line with no defense applying pressure? If not, why would it apply to the backcourt situation described?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Except for the fact that it in no way applies, I guess you can't.

Look, in the situation given, that of having additional, non-Fed rules, I *guess* one could say the offense is gaining an advantage by staying in the backcourt if the defense isn't allowed back there. I personally don't think that's an unreasonable interpretation, but then again, I don't know because I don't know how the additional rule is worded. As I again said, there's little to no chance this would happen in a plain Fed rule game, but if it does, its legal.

Nothing to do with legalease. 10-1-5 just doesn't apply.

Does 10-1-5 apply to a offensive team that stands just inside the division line with no defense applying pressure? If not, why would it apply to the backcourt situation described?

Aggie, you're applying apples to oranges. This is a rec league situation with a rec league rule that prevents BC pressure. The intent and purpose of the rec league rule is NOT to allow one team to run out of clock while the ball sits in the BC.

They have allowed the game to become an actionless contest. That is covered by 10-1-5. The specific act does not have to be defined anymore that every single type of unsporting behavior has to be defined in the rule book.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

They have allowed the game to become an actionless contest. That is covered by 10-1-5. The specific act does not have to be defined anymore that every single type of unsporting behavior has to be defined in the rule book.

First sentence of rule 5-4-1?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

How about if there's no rule about defense in the backcourt and the same thing happens?

We have had situations in our local rec league at the lower grade levels (3rd and 4th) where no back court guarding is allowed at any time where a team has a one or two point lead and gains control in their backcourt with less than 10 seconds to go in the game and their coach just yells at them to hold the ball and don't move.

I don't particularly like it when it happens (about once or twice a season total) but the alternative is to allow backcourt guarding at that level (at least at the end of a close game). We've tried that and it is more trouble than it's worth.

Just one of those things, I guess.

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

We have had situations in our local rec league at the lower grade levels (3rd and 4th) where no back court guarding is allowed at any time where a team has a one or two point lead and gains control in their backcourt with less than 10 seconds to go in the game and their coach just yells at them to hold the ball and don't move.

I don't particularly like it when it happens (about once or twice a season total) but the alternative is to allow backcourt guarding at that level (at least at the end of a close game). We've tried that and it is more trouble than it's worth.

Just one of those things, I guess.

That is why in our rec ball, a team may press, but only in the last 2 minutes of the game.