swinging an elbow

[esslingerdav]

Originally Posted by iref4him

1) excessive swinging of elbows with or woithour the ball (using the shoulder region as a pivot point) - violation

2) swinging elbow and making contact (without the ball in their possession) - common personal foul

3) swinging elbow and making contact (with the ball in their possession) - player control foul. The player with the ball could make normal legal body movemebnt with the elbows locked and make contact - player control foul.

4) then if a palyer deliberately throws at elbow and makes contact - intentional or flagrant personal foul (with the flagrant - disqualification)

5) if a player intentionally throws an elbow and misses - intentional or flagrant techinical foul (with the flagrant - disqualification). YOU may consider the act fighting.

Regarding #1 - how is that a violation - maybe I do not understand the term "violation" vs a common personal foul - If the player has possession - would you just give the ball to the other team w/o a foul called or if does not have possession what do you do?

[JRutledge]

It is a violation because the rules say it is. This used to be a Technical foul until the rules committee decided that making it a violation might increase the incidents of this being called. It is most common when a player has the ball, but if they do not have the ball, you give the ball to the offended team.

Peace

[esslingerdav]

o.k. forgive my ignorance - so.. if a player has the ball and swings elbows as described in #1 - no foul called and ball goes to other team?

[Ref in PA]

A violation is like throwing the ball oob. Ball goes to the other team.

A1 has ball and is swinging elbows. Tweet!. B's ball for throwing at nearest spot to violation.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by esslingerdav

o.k. forgive my ignorance - so.. if a player has the ball and swings elbows as described in #1 - no foul called and ball goes to other team?

As Jeff said, this is a violation by rule. Violations and fouls are not the same thing. Violations consist of things like traveling, illegal dribble, causing ball to go OOB, etc. The ball is given to opponent for inbound at the spot closest to where violation occurred.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by esslingerdav

o.k. forgive my ignorance - so.. if a player has the ball and swings elbows as described in #1 - no foul called and ball goes to other team?

Yes.

Peace

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by esslingerdav

o.k. forgive my ignorance - so.. if a player has the ball and swings elbows as described in #1 - no foul called and ball goes to other team?

correct. there is a signal for this on the nfhs signal chart...not a foul..