foul on the arm after release

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Then you have never had to rely on form and follow through as a shooter. Probably never played before.

We can go back and forth on this for ever. You believe what you want.

Ah, there it is, the former player calling the game as a ref like they wanted it called as a player...incorrectly.

Follow through is the continuation of proper form.

If you stop your follow through, it will affect your shot, because you changed the way you performed the shot...YOU ALTERED THE MOTION...if you did everything correct through release and then someone else stops your follow through it changes NOTHING!

If I have a perfect golf swing, and I had a full and complete swing back and through the ball and then I hit a root or a branch on my follow through, are you telling me my shot gets messed up?

I hit a baseball, squarely and the bat flies out of my hands on the follow through, is the ball traveling less far?

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Ah, there it is, the former player calling the game as a ref like they wanted it called as a player...incorrectly.

Yes former player and OFFICIAL for 25 years. You can't accept the fact that players can also officiate. I never said I call a foul, so don't make things up.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Follow through is the continuation of proper form.

Totally agree with you. Never was in Question.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

If you stop your follow through, it will affect your shot, because you changed the way you performed the shot...YOU ALTERED THE MOTION...if you did everything correct through release and then someone else stops your follow through it changes NOTHING!

HUH! You say if I stop my follow through motion myself it will affect the shot. Yet if someone else stops the MOTION it wont. Contradictory statement.

You can believe what you want. I have made my statement and will stand by it.

[SmokeEater]

In Agreement with;

- The fact contacting the arm after the ball has left the hand will not affect trajectory of the ball.
- Not all contact should be called a foul, each situation has to be evaluated on its own.
- Contacting player during follow through changes said follow through.


I.M.O. - notice this is still my opinion.

- Changing the follow thorugh will change the overall shot, I feel that complete follow though is essential to having good form and leads to higher quality shooting. If you cant follow through then you don't have good form.

- Because my opinion is different from yours does not give you the right to make less of it. As I have read in several other posts some tend to attack those who post with an opinion that is different.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

In Agreement with;

- The fact contacting the arm after the ball has left the hand will not affect trajectory of the ball.
- Not all contact should be called a foul, each situation has to be evaluated on its own.
- Contacting player during follow through changes said follow through.
I.M.O. - notice this is still my opinion.

- Changing the follow through will change the overall shot, I feel that complete follow though is essential to having good form and leads to higher quality shooting. If you cant follow through then you don't have good form.

- Because my opinion is different from yours does not give you the right to make less of it. As I have read in several other posts some tend to attack those who post with an opinion that is different.

You can't have it both ways. If contact after the ball leaves the hand does not change its trajectory, how can it affect the overall shot?

However, if the shooter is anticipating contact or altering the shot to avoid a defender, the shooters normal follow through may be changed, but this is due to events prior to the ball leaving the hand. Contact may or may not occur, but if it occurs after the ball is in flight, the contact itself did NOT change the ball flight.

Whether a shot misses due to contact or good defense is up to the official seeing it happen. If the contact is after the ball is in flight, different judgements apply, but certainly fouls may be called here as well.

[Ignats75]

Smoke...Think it through. Think of the jump shot as a stop action film. For a player to stop his follow-through, things must happen to the shot's form BEFORE THE BALL IS RELEASED that will affect the quality of the shot. WHen a player is hit AFTER THE BALL IS RELEASED, nothing has happened up to that point that will affect the shot. Once the ball is gone, what happens to the player is inconsequential to the shot. In fact, if you looked at a good shooter's form comparing two films...one of a shot taken, no foul, and one of a shot taken with contact after the ball is gone, the film would likely be identical.

[Zoochy]

Have you seen the Kobe follow through when his shot gets blocked???

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Have you seen the Kobe follow through when his shot gets blocked???

Hey c'mon, the verdict was not guilty and both Kobe & his wife have moved on.

Why bring that all up again?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Hey c'mon, the verdict was not guilty and both Kobe & his wife have moved on.

Why bring that all up again?

Right. He gave his wife a 5mil diamond ring and they moved on. It's not like he sent her a dozen roses and a box of chocolates.......

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Hey c'mon, the verdict was not guilty and both Kobe & his wife have moved on.

Why bring that all up again?

WHAT?? I am talking about the game against San Antonio Spurs. He hit Ginobili.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...t.1d87fd4.html
ESPN has been showing the video clip all morning.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

WHAT?? I am talking about the game against San Antonio Spurs. He hit Ginobili.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...t.1d87fd4.html
ESPN has been showing the video clip all morning.

Oh. My bad, I don't follow the NBA all that much.

I was thinking more about this block of a Kobe shot

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0924041kobea1.html