foul on the arm after release

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

It sure will. Try it sometime and see, as a shooter when I got hit just after release and was not able to extend my arm fully it would change the shot. I don't pretend to know all the physics of how the shot really works but I can say with absolute confidence that not being able to follow through did something.

What you are describing is reacting to the pressure of the defender coming at you and not the contact after release.

Once the ball is gone, NOTHING you do or have done to you changes the shot.

The change in the shot is the same as someone yelling during your downswing in golf, you tense up and that changes your shot. If someone yells, "You the man, Tiger!" After the shot, you think that affects the shot?

[David B]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

What you are describing is reacting to the pressure of the defender coming at you and not the contact after release.

Once the ball is gone, NOTHING you do or have done to you changes the shot.

The change in the shot is the same as someone yelling during your downswing in golf, you tense up and that changes your shot. If someone yells, "You the man, Tiger!" After the shot, you think that affects the shot?

But the contact can affect the players next shot.

Say the jump shooter shoots and gets hit after the shot and no foul is called. The next time that jump shooter starts to shoot and sees the defender coming at him he might change his shot trying to get it off quicker because in his mind if the player hits his arm, no foul is going to be called.

Sure its mental, but that's a big part of the game with the jump shooter. Its all about rhythm and anything that affects it can change the shot.

Thanks
David

[Adam]

That's why we get paid to use judgment.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by David B

But the contact can affect the players next shot.

Say the jump shooter shoots and gets hit after the shot and no foul is called. The next time that jump shooter starts to shoot and sees the defender coming at him he might change his shot trying to get it off quicker because in his mind if the player hits his arm, no foul is going to be called.

Sure its mental, but that's a big part of the game with the jump shooter. Its all about rhythm and anything that affects it can change the shot.

Thanks
David

You must be better than me, if you can predict a future disadvantaged situation...our job is to judge the play at hand, not the play 2 minutes from now.

If the contact did not hinder the shot or the landing, and doesn't fall under rough play, it is incidental contact. 2 minutes from now, we should be applying those exact same things.

[SmokeEater]

I will Grant you all this... Contact with the shooters arm preventing follow through does NOT affect the trajectory of the ball, ..... It most certainly does affect the overall shot however.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Contact with the shooters arm preventing follow through does NOT affect the trajectory of the ball, ..... It most certainly does affect the overall shot however.

How can you say those two things in the same breath??!?! How can contact with the arm after the ball has been released "affect the overall shot"?

I'm seriously not understanding this.

[SmokeEater]

Then you have never had to rely on form and follow through as a shooter. Probably never played before.

We can go back and forth on this for ever. You believe what you want.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Then you have never had to rely on form and follow through as a shooter. Probably never played before.

We can go back and forth on this for ever. You believe what you want.

No idea why I'm getting into this, but it is a physical impossibility - yes, impossibility - for contact after the ball has been released to have any impact on the ball.

Follow-through is only important in that proper follow-through can only be achieved after proper technique prior to it, and therefore it is taught as part of good form.

Again, it is a physical impossibility for contact after a ball is released to impact the result of the shot.

[NewNCref]

For those of you who don't like the airborne shooter, what about this scenario? (And it's entirely possible that there is a solution to this problem without Airborne Shooter, but I'm just interested to hear what people have to say.)

A1 pulls up for a jump shot. After releasing the ball, B1 fouls A1 from behind, causing A1's hand to hit the ball again and deflect the already released shot.

Is the just semantics, yes, probably so, but just an interesting take on the discussion IMO.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Then you have never had to rely on form and follow through as a shooter. Probably never played before.

We can go back and forth on this for ever. You believe what you want.

Ah, there it is, the former player calling the game as a ref like they wanted it called as a player...incorrectly.

Follow through is the continuation of proper form.

If you stop your follow through, it will affect your shot, because you changed the way you performed the shot...YOU ALTERED THE MOTION...if you did everything correct through release and then someone else stops your follow through it changes NOTHING!

If I have a perfect golf swing, and I had a full and complete swing back and through the ball and then I hit a root or a branch on my follow through, are you telling me my shot gets messed up?

I hit a baseball, squarely and the bat flies out of my hands on the follow through, is the ball traveling less far?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Then you have never had to rely on form and follow through as a shooter. Probably never played before.

I was a 4-year varsity player in HS. 2-years as starting point guard. But I also took physics in HS. . .

[Huntin' Ref]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Then you have never had to rely on form and follow through as a shooter. Probably never played before.

We can go back and forth on this for ever. You believe what you want.

I was a point guard in high school and shooting guard in college. I can tell you that once the ball leaves your hand, the contact DOESN'T change the outcome at all. ~ I was hit in the forearm many times in college and it was rarely called. Guess what, I usually new before I was touched whether or not it was going in or not..........and the contact didn't affect the result.

What does change the shot, is that we shooters will either: rush the shot or flick the wrist rather than smoothly following through to make sure the shot doesn't get blocked. The moral of the story is to take a normal shot, follow through properly and if it gets blocked then you weren't open enough to shoot. If you get fouled, you have a great chance at a 4-point play!

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Then you have never had to rely on form and follow through as a shooter. Probably never played before.

We can go back and forth on this for ever. You believe what you want.

The follow-through is important because of what you have to do to get to a proper follow-through. The follow-through just shows you that you have used proper form. Once the ball has been released, nothing can affect the shot (other than a Greg Oden-type).

If you played golf, you would know this. You could just stop the golf club after you hit the ball and nothing would change (something you find out when hitting out from behind a tree, LOL). The proper follow-through just indicates that your swing path didn't change.

What part of the follow-through touches the ball?

[jmkbball]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

What you are describing is reacting to the pressure of the defender coming at you and not the contact after release.

Once the ball is gone, NOTHING you do or have done to you changes the shot.

The change in the shot is the same as someone yelling during your downswing in golf, you tense up and that changes your shot. If someone yells, "You the man, Tiger!" After the shot, you think that affects the shot?

Whenever someone yells "you the man, Tiger!", either before or after a golf shot, its important to turn to them and say "Here's your sign".