foul on the arm after release

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by oc

Airborne A1 releases the shot and while still airborne B1 gets contact with A1's arm. Foul or no call? is NCAA and HS different? If you answer is it depends on the contact--please explain what do you look for to decide.

One question I always ask myself is did the contact affect the shot. Once the ball is off the shooter's hand, contact to the arm cannot affect the shot. That's not the only criteria I consider, but if the contact is slight and the shot's away, I'll probably pass on it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

One question I always ask myself is did the contact affect the shot. Once the ball is off the shooter's hand, contact to the arm cannot affect the shot. That's not the only criteria I consider, but if the contact is slight and the shot's away, I'll probably pass on it.

Agreed, but I also think we need to consider whether the contact might affect later shots. The harder the contact, and the closer to the release that it happens, the more likely it is to be a foul.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed, but I also think we need to consider whether the contact might affect later shots. The harder the contact, and the closer to the release that it happens, the more likely it is to be a foul.

That's my take as well. Little ticky tacky touch contact that happens after the shot is released I usually let go unless it hinders the shooter's ability to follow through. Harder contact, or anything I think creates an obvious disadvantage for the shooter is going to get a whistle.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

One question I always ask myself is did the contact affect the shot. Once the ball is off the shooter's hand, contact to the arm cannot affect the shot. That's not the only criteria I consider, but if the contact is slight and the shot's away, I'll probably pass on it.

Agreed, I know what you are saying and agree to a point. Contact that prevents complete follow through can affect a shot.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Agreed, I know what you are saying and agree to a point. Contact that prevents complete follow through can affect a shot.

I concur. I called a foul Saturday on 3-pointer when the defender smack the shooters arm right after the release.

I am more likely to call this type of foul on a jump shot than I would for a lay-up or jump hook in the paint.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I concur. I called a foul Saturday on 3-pointer when the defender smack the shooters arm right after the release.

I am more likely to call this type of foul on a jump shot than I would for a lay-up or jump hook in the paint.

Yes, that was a good call, not to mention the goaltending afterwards that I caught!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Yes, that was a good call, not to mention the goaltending afterwards that I caught!

Different play. The BI you called was on a play where the shooter was hit in the head.

The play I'm referring to in this thread was when I was in the Slot opposite table-side and #10 shot a 3 from the corner.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Contact that prevents complete follow through can affect a shot.

Not if the shot has already been released.

[SmokeEater]

It sure will. Try it sometime and see, as a shooter when I got hit just after release and was not able to extend my arm fully it would change the shot. I don't pretend to know all the physics of how the shot really works but I can say with absolute confidence that not being able to follow through did something.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

It sure will. Try it sometime and see, as a shooter when I got hit just after release and was not able to extend my arm fully it would change the shot. I don't pretend to know all the physics of how the shot really works but I can say with absolute confidence that not being able to follow through did something.

If the ball was out of your hands it didn't do anything to change the shot.

btw...I get a nickel every time I post this so here it is again:

The airborne shooter rule is the same under ncaa mens, nfhs and ncaa womans rules. Here is the ncaa version, first art under rule 4:

Art. 1. An airborne shooter is in the act of shooting.
A.R. 67. A1 is in the air on a jump shot in the lane. A1 releases the ball on a try and is fouled by B1, who has jumped in an unsuccessful attempt to block the shot. A1’s try is: (a) successful; or (b) unsuccessful. RULING: A1 shall be an airborne shooter when the ball is released until he or she returns with one foot touching the floor. An airborne shooter shall be in the act of shooting. B1 has fouled A1 in the act of shooting. A1 shall be awarded one free throw in (a), and two in (b).

Art. 2. An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for goal until one foot has returned to the floor.

What is different is that under nfhs and ncaa-w an airborne shooter is still considered to have control of the ball after the shot is released for the purposes of a PC foul.

[swkansasref33]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

If the ball was out of your hands it didn't do anything to change the shot.

yea it can. look at any sport where you throw/shoot a ball. if you dont follow through, you don't get good results... not following through does effect the shot... ask anyone who plays basketball or baseball. if a pitcher does not follow through after he/she releases the ball, the ball is not going to be as accurate, and sometimes is nowhere near where it was intended to be

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

yea it can.

no it can't. The ball is gone. Nothing you do to change your follow thru after the ball is gone will change where the ball is going

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

yea it can. look at any sport where you throw/shoot a ball. if you dont follow through, you don't get good results... not following through does effect the shot... ask anyone who plays basketball or baseball. if a pitcher does not follow through after he/she releases the ball, the ball is not going to be as accurate, and sometimes is nowhere near where it was intended to be

That's because, in order to "not follow through", the pitcher must change something before the ball is released.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

It sure will. Try it sometime and see, as a shooter when I got hit just after release and was not able to extend my arm fully it would change the shot. I don't pretend to know all the physics of how the shot really works but I can say with absolute confidence that not being able to follow through did something.

Only Fred Flintstone can affect the path of the ball after it's been released by adjusting his followthru. The sole point of followthru is to ensure that at the moment of release everything is properly lined up. Once the ball is away, if the arm is bumped, or even stopped entirely, the contact absolutely cannot affect the shot. The ball is away.

I do agree with Bob too, there is more to consider than simply whether the contact affected the shot.

[MJT]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

It sure will. Try it sometime and see, as a shooter when I got hit just after release and was not able to extend my arm fully it would change the shot. I don't pretend to know all the physics of how the shot really works but I can say with absolute confidence that not being able to follow through did something.

100% agree!!! Not being able to follow thru does affect the shot. Why else would coaches at ALL level preach about a great follow thru. Think of how it affects you in golf. It is similar to why a player will change his follow thru to do a different type of shot in golf.