Huntington HS in trouble!

[David B]

Not surprising, but hard to believe. Obviously the state officials have no integrity. Not only should the player be suspended, but his coach should be suspended for allowing it to happen.

In reading the coach's comments - he wanted only a delay of game for the taunting?? Now that's integrity from a coach.
Accept responsibility for your players!

Should be very interesting to see the spin that ESPN puts on it.

Thanks
David

[TriggerMN]

Why don't the officials scheduled to work tonight's game, and all officials for that matter, stand up for their fellow officials and refuse to work the game?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by David B

Not surprising, but hard to believe. Obviously the state officials have no integrity. Not only should the player be suspended, but his coach should be suspended for allowing it to happen.

In reading the coach's comments - he wanted only a delay of game for the taunting?? Now that's integrity from a coach.
Accept responsibility for your players!

Should be very interesting to see the spin that ESPN puts on it.

Thanks
David

It's clear this school has already made its deal with the devil.

[Jurassic Referee]

Just a thought......

Remember the NHL playoff game back in the 80's? The one where the NJ Devils' coach got tossed for contacting the referee and calling him a fat pig? He was suspended, and NJ went out and got an injunction also that allowed him to coach their next game. The NHL officials unanimously said "Fine, officiate the damn game yourself". The NHL then had to find some amateur guys to do the game. It would be kinda nice if the officials assigned to the ESPN game tonight told 'em the same thing--"Sorry, changed my mind. I'm busy tonight". I know that if I was assigned to the game tonight, I'd tell them to find someone else.

Won't happen, but I can dream.....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TriggerMN

Why don't the officials scheduled to work tonight's game, and all officials for that matter, stand up for their fellow officials and refuse to work the game?

Great minds think alike.....

I was writing almost the same thing when you posted.

[cmathews]

That would be a nice thing to have happen. I do see a couple integrity things here though. If they have indeed signed a contract and I assume they have, it is tough not to honor it, however, it sure would be nice to see us as a group stand together, and support what is truly right......

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Just a thought......

Remember the NHL playoff game back in the 80's? The one where the NJ Devils' coach got tossed for contacting the referee and calling him a fat pig? He was suspended, and NJ went out and got an injunction also that allowed him to coach their next game. The NHL officials unanimously said "Fine, officiate the damn game yourself". The NHL then had to find some amateur guys to do the game. It would be kinda nice if the officials assigned to the ESPN game tonight told 'em the same thing--"Sorry, changed my mind. I'm busy tonight". I know that if I was assigned to the game tonight, I'd tell them to find someone else.

Won't happen, but I can dream.....

And the best time to tell them this would be about 10 minutes before tipoff.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by David B

Should be very interesting to see the spin that ESPN puts on it.

I checked the ESPN schedule and my local cable TV schedule and I do not see any of the three games from the Durham Hoophall Classic listed for today. Is the game still scheduled for TV? (Huntington/Artesia is supposed to be at 8:30 p.m. EST)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

I checked the ESPN schedule and my local cable TV schedule I do not see any of the three games from the Durham Hoophall Classic listed for today. Is the game still scheduled for TV? (Huntington/Artesia is supposed to be at 8:30 p.m. EST)

Sorry for the misinformation -- I figured with all this hoopla the game must be televised on ESPN or something. I just did a DirecTV search and the game is not nationally televised, it appears.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by TriggerMN

Why don't the officials scheduled to work tonight's game, and all officials for that matter, stand up for their fellow officials and refuse to work the game?

I think that is unrealistic. You want the officials to turn back a game, put the assignor in a bind to change assignments to fill the games? I do not think it is about supporting fellow officials, it is putting themselves in a bad situation if they do such a thing. If they want to support their officials there are other ways to do this. If anything you require the teams be on their best behavior and you penalize any action that might teeter on unsportsmanlike behavior. That sounds like the obvious thing to do, but not very realistic. I might eliminate every game with that assignor and other assignors if I made such a choice.

Peace

[deecee]

JRut -- there comes a time when you have to do what you believe in or put your tail between your legs and keep going the way you were.

Since I dont officiate as my career if I had to put what I believe up against officiating -- well its been fun but the stripes will have to be hung.

Telling my assignor that I do not agree with what happened and I do not want to officiate the game because I feel strongly against how the refs got railroaded, should count for something. If my assignor says do this game or you are done working for me -- well so long chappy its been real. This is black and white - kid was suspended, coach and kid whine to the courts, court overturn a RULE in OUR sport that we are here to uphold. What's fair? where does the line get drawn? the sad thing is if I were to turn this game back there would be 100's of officials just clammoring at the chance to work the game.

I have seen officials complain about "where will the line gets drawn" and when it comes to them then easily step over it. As much as we say we stand behind other officials, the reality is, we do not -- I have worked with so many guys that just cant wait to bad mouth other officials -- that act nice in front of these so called officials they dont like then just stab that knife in their back when they arent looking. WE DONT HAVE OUR OWN BACKS so like the saying "Its for the kids" (which I completely disagree with) -- I also disagree that officials REALLY have other officials backs -- its easy to say but I have seen time and time again officials jump at the chance to screw a fellow official over.

If its different where you work then you are in the promised land of officiating -- no back stabbing, no real support when sh!t hits the fan, to be able to trust everyone that wears the stripes.

One thing I will note is that I have worked with many officials as well that are not what I have described above -- these guys usually have a few things in common -- they have lots of self-confidence, they have put in their time and have made it to a pretty high level pretty fast (D3-D1 even NBA) and they dont always tell me WHAT I want to hear -- the guy that can tell me hey from what I saw you kicked that call becaus of XYZ -- I respect so much more that when I hear you had a perfect game. Because I KNOW i have NEVER had and NEVER will HAVE a perfect game where 100% of the calls are correct. Inherently we will make a mistake during a game (albeit small usually) we are not perfect. But we are catty...[rant off]

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

I checked the ESPN schedule and my local cable TV schedule and I do not see any of the three games from the Durham Hoophall Classic listed for today. Is the game still scheduled for TV? (Huntington/Artesia is supposed to be at 8:30 p.m. EST)

I think the Thursday game in Kentucky is on ESPNU.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by deecee

JRut -- there comes a time when you have to do what you believe in or put your tail between your legs and keep going the way you were.

Since I dont officiate as my career if I had to put what I believe up against officiating -- well its been fun but the stripes will have to be hung.

Telling my assignor that I do not agree with what happened and I do not want to officiate the game because I feel strongly against how the refs got railroaded, should count for something. If my assignor says do this game or you are done working for me -- well so long chappy its been real. This is black and white - kid was suspended, coach and kid whine to the courts, court overturn a RULE in OUR sport that we are here to uphold. What's fair? where does the line get drawn? the sad thing is if I were to turn this game back there would be 100's of officials just clammoring at the chance to work the game.

I have seen officials complain about "where will the line gets drawn" and when it comes to them then easily step over it. As much as we say we stand behind other officials, the reality is, we do not -- I have worked with so many guys that just cant wait to bad mouth other officials -- that act nice in front of these so called officials they dont like then just stab that knife in their back when they arent looking. WE DONT HAVE OUR OWN BACKS so like the saying "Its for the kids" (which I completely disagree with) -- I also disagree that officials REALLY have other officials backs -- its easy to say but I have seen time and time again officials jump at the chance to screw a fellow official over.

If its different where you work then you are in the promised land of officiating -- no back stabbing, no real support when sh!t hits the fan, to be able to trust everyone that wears the stripes.

One thing I will note is that I have worked with many officials as well that are not what I have described above -- these guys usually have a few things in common -- they have lots of self-confidence, they have put in their time and have made it to a pretty high level pretty fast (D3-D1 even NBA) and they dont always tell me WHAT I want to hear -- the guy that can tell me hey from what I saw you kicked that call becaus of XYZ -- I respect so much more that when I hear you had a perfect game. Because I KNOW i have NEVER had and NEVER will HAVE a perfect game where 100% of the calls are correct. Inherently we will make a mistake during a game (albeit small usually) we are not perfect. But we are catty...[rant off]

I appreciate this sentiment, but in this case I don't think I would turn in the game. The court, IMO, has overstepped its bounds in issuing the restraining order allowing Mayo and others to play. However, the WVHSAA, has done its part with the automatic suspension. The state has no control over the judges. As far as I've seen, the state has not yet reached a decision on the ref-bumping.

The state orginization has, to this point, supported its official.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

JRut -- there comes a time when you have to do what you believe in or put your tail between your legs and keep going the way you were.

Since I dont officiate as my career if I had to put what I believe up against officiating -- well its been fun but the stripes will have to be hung.

I also do this for fun, but I would like to keep doing it. It is not in my hands to determine who plays and who does not play outside of what I do on the court (playing area). The court (legal system) took a position I do not agree with, but I was not in the decision making process.

Originally Posted by deecee

Telling my assignor that I do not agree with what happened and I do not want to officiate the game because I feel strongly against how the refs got railroaded, should count for something. If my assignor says do this game or you are done working for me -- well so long chappy its been real. This is black and white - kid was suspended, coach and kid whine to the courts, court overturn a RULE in OUR sport that we are here to uphold. What's fair? where does the line get drawn? the sad thing is if I were to turn this game back there would be 100's of officials just clammoring at the chance to work the game.

The assignor did not make the decision either. This was between the state association and the school and the kid. We have nothing to do with this. Taking a stand as you suggest is kind of silly if you ask me. Who are you taking a stand for?

Originally Posted by deecee

I have seen officials complain about "where will the line gets drawn" and when it comes to them then easily step over it. As much as we say we stand behind other officials, the reality is, we do not -- I have worked with so many guys that just cant wait to bad mouth other officials -- that act nice in front of these so called officials they dont like then just stab that knife in their back when they arent looking. WE DONT HAVE OUR OWN BACKS so like the saying "Its for the kids" (which I completely disagree with) -- I also disagree that officials REALLY have other officials backs -- its easy to say but I have seen time and time again officials jump at the chance to screw a fellow official over.

You keep comparing something about "Having someone's back" and that is not at all the issue. I know I would not be offended if the next set of officials worked a game after I threw a kid out. Sorry, that is a very bad analogy on your part if you ask me.

Originally Posted by deecee

If its different where you work then you are in the promised land of officiating -- no back stabbing, no real support when sh!t hits the fan, to be able to trust everyone that wears the stripes.

I do not expect people that have no power in a situation to all of a sudden "back me up" on something that they have little or no control over. I do not consider it back stabbing for someone to do what they are told if they. The officials that work the game likely do not know the ejecting officials and other than this making big news in the media, probably do not know what really happen.

Originally Posted by deecee

One thing I will note is that I have worked with many officials as well that are not what I have described above -- these guys usually have a few things in common -- they have lots of self-confidence, they have put in their time and have made it to a pretty high level pretty fast (D3-D1 even NBA) and they dont always tell me WHAT I want to hear -- the guy that can tell me hey from what I saw you kicked that call becaus of XYZ -- I respect so much more that when I hear you had a perfect game. Because I KNOW i have NEVER had and NEVER will HAVE a perfect game where 100% of the calls are correct. Inherently we will make a mistake during a game (albeit small usually) we are not perfect. But we are catty...[rant off]

OK.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think that is unrealistic. You want the officials to turn back a game, put the assignor in a bind to change assignments to fill the games? I do not think it is about supporting fellow officials, it is putting themselves in a bad situation if they do such a thing. If they want to support their officials there are other ways to do this. If anything you require the teams be on their best behavior and you penalize any action that might teeter on unsportsmanlike behavior. That sounds like the obvious thing to do, but not very realistic. I might eliminate every game with that assignor and other assignors if I made such a choice.

Peace

I agree. The offiicals will be NCHSAA officials assigned out of the Raliegh area. They have no dog in this fight. Also, this was a judge's court order. The WVSSAC had nothing to do with the TRO. But I did notice that the exceutive director of the WVSSAC is on his way to Huntington today. Hope he lays the law down.