Rule Change Proposals

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Change the Mechanics in 2 man officials. Have the official that reports the foul stay at table side. Thus making it similar with 3 man mechanics.
Not all varsity games in St. Louis, MO use 3 officials. There have been times that my partner, in a 2 man game, has stayed at table side after reporting the foul. I just made my adjustment in administering the Free Throw and we chatted about this proceedure after the game.

Agree, this mechanic needs to change. Calling official should go table side and stay 2-person. I have had many coaches say they just want to ask a question but they can't because the official is on the other side of the court. Leave the option for the official to go opposite the table if they feel they need to.

#2.) Lower the FT count from 10 to 7, this will speed up the game. You're hardly ever going to reach 10 so either remove it all together or set it to 7 or a lower number.

#3.) Clock runs in the 4th quarter if down by more than 40 points. Direct technical foul on the coach for pressing if team is ahead by more than 40 points in the 4th quarter.

#4.) Running up the score: Add a direct technical foul to the coach for running up the score or attempting to get a player to score as many points as possible (personal gain) by running up the score. This encourages team play, eliminates embarrassing of weaker teams, sends the message its a team sport and not it's all about me.

#5.) My best one. Add a rule where a coach can get a technical after the game has been completed for unprofessional conduct in the game. For example: if you win a game 175 - 25 and your star player scores 125 points. Direct technical and one game suspension for running up the score if you can prove that the coach was negligent. After further review of the game, access technical fouls accordingly. Make coaching accountable even if the game is over. Just because the game is over doesn't mean you can't get a technical for your actions in the game. I feel strongly about this at the high school level.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

Agree, this mechanic needs to change. Calling official should go table side and stay 2-person. I have had many coaches say they just want to ask a question but they can't because the official is on the other side of the court. Leave the option for the official to go opposite the table if they feel they need to.

#2.) Lower the FT count from 10 to 7, this will speed up the game. You're hardly ever going to reach 10 so either remove it all together or set it to 7 or a lower number.

#3.) Clock runs in the 4th quarter if down by more than 40 points. Direct technical foul on the coach for pressing if team is ahead by more than 40 points in the 4th quarter.

#4.) Running up the score: Add a direct technical foul to the coach for running up the score or attempting to get a player to score as many points as possible (personal gain) by running up the score. This encourages team play, eliminates embarrassing of weaker teams, sends the message its a team sport and not it's all about me.

#5.) My best one. Add a rule where a coach can get a technical after the game has been completed for unprofessional conduct in the game. For example: if you win a game 175 - 25 and your star player scores 125 points. Direct technical and one game suspension for running up the score if you can prove that the coach was negligent. After further review of the game, access technical fouls accordingly. Make coaching accountable even if the game is over. Just because the game is over doesn't mean you can't get a technical for your actions in the game. I feel strongly about this at the high school level.

Wow. Just.... wow.....

[deecee]

#3.) Clock runs in the 4th quarter if down by more than 40 points. Direct technical foul on the coach for pressing if team is ahead by more than 40 points in the 4th quarter.

#4.) Running up the score: Add a direct technical foul to the coach for running up the score or attempting to get a player to score as many points as possible (personal gain) by running up the score. This encourages team play, eliminates embarrassing of weaker teams, sends the message its a team sport and not it's all about me.

#5.) My best one. Add a rule where a coach can get a technical after the game has been completed for unprofessional conduct in the game. For example: if you win a game 175 - 25 and your star player scores 125 points. Direct technical and one game suspension for running up the score if you can prove that the coach was negligent. After further review of the game, access technical fouls accordingly. Make coaching accountable even if the game is over. Just because the game is over doesn't mean you can't get a technical for your actions in the game. I feel strongly about this at the high school level.

please dont heed any of these suggestions -- we are not the moral police -- neither should we be dictating how coaches run their team. this is the responsibility of their administration/parents/and players.

If any of these rules are EVER enacted I CAN guarantee I will forget them very easily. I only want to police the practice of a fair game -- not a morally upstanding game. The team getting their azzes handed to them share just as much responsibility for sucking as the team that is very good. And I can say that from coaching some teams with no skill whatsoever and getting my azz handed to me. ITS LIFE.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by deecee

please dont heed any of these suggestions -- we are not the moral police -- neither should we be dictating how coaches run their team. this is the responsibility of their administration/parents/and players.

I disagree. We are the moral police. We judge what is fair and acceptable versus unacceptable. When a team is ahead by 40 and still pressing the other team up the court. For some of us, obviously not you Deecee, a moral flag goes up that says this is not right.

If any of these rules are EVER enacted I CAN guarantee I will forget them very easily. I only want to police the practice of a fair game -- not a morally upstanding game. The team getting their azzes handed to them share just as much responsibility for sucking as the team that is very good. And I can say that from coaching some teams with no skill whatsoever and getting my azz handed to me. ITS LIFE.

I disagree again. If we are talking college or the pros, okay, this makes sense. But we are talking kids in high school. Your position encourages the very thing we don't want. We don't want our children to group up without any class to themselves. To often, and I don't agree with this, but far too often we hear about coaches and referee's using bb as a tool to teach life lessons. Well, what lesson or you teaching when you run the score up on your opponent who you are obviously better then?

Here's the reason why I want to see Peyton Manning win the Superbowl. He is such a class act. Do you remember a game, I believe it was 2 years ago. Peyton had marched the Colts down the field late in the game and had a chance to score another TD. The Colts didn't need the touchdown because they had the game in hand. Peyton either threw the football OOB to the back of the endzone or he kneel the ball, I can't remember which. But it was 4th down. This is class. This is what we should be about when teaching our youths. I for one am not in the camp of leaving this responsibly solely to the school or administration. We as officials can do something about it too in case some programs goes afoul.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Old School

I disagree. We are the moral police.

Potential #3 here, but there are so many to choose from I hate to decide so quickly.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Potential #3 here, but there are so many to choose from I hate to decide so quickly.

No, no...I'm done...check out my #3 under the OOB thread...it's perfect and fulfills the terms of my penance beautifully!!

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Old School

Agree, this mechanic needs to change. Calling official should go table side and stay 2-person. I have had many coaches say they just want to ask a question but they can't because the official is on the other side of the court. Leave the option for the official to go opposite the table if they feel they need to.

#2.) Lower the FT count from 10 to 7, this will speed up the game. You're hardly ever going to reach 10 so either remove it all together or set it to 7 or a lower number.

#3.) Clock runs in the 4th quarter if down by more than 40 points. Direct technical foul on the coach for pressing if team is ahead by more than 40 points in the 4th quarter.

#4.) Running up the score: Add a direct technical foul to the coach for running up the score or attempting to get a player to score as many points as possible (personal gain) by running up the score. This encourages team play, eliminates embarrassing of weaker teams, sends the message its a team sport and not it's all about me.

#5.) My best one. Add a rule where a coach can get a technical after the game has been completed for unprofessional conduct in the game. For example: if you win a game 175 - 25 and your star player scores 125 points. Direct technical and one game suspension for running up the score if you can prove that the coach was negligent. After further review of the game, access technical fouls accordingly. Make coaching accountable even if the game is over. Just because the game is over doesn't mean you can't get a technical for your actions in the game. I feel strongly about this at the high school level.

How will lowering the foul counts to reach the bonus sooner speed up the game?

Pretty simple...lower count, FTs sooner, FTs stop the clock, every time the clock is stopped the game takes LONGER.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

How will lowering the foul counts to reach the bonus sooner speed up the game?

Pretty simple...lower count, FTs sooner, FTs stop the clock, every time the clock is stopped the game takes LONGER.

I meant instead of 10 seconds to shoot the FT, lower it to 7 seconds or some # below 10, or just do away with it all together.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Old School

I meant instead of 10 seconds to shoot the FT, lower it to 7 seconds or some # below 10, or just do away with it all together.

Yeah, I rarely call 10 seconds in the BC, so let's lower that to 7 too.

I usually hit between 3 and 4 on all my 5 second counts, so hey let's make that one 3.5 to save time as well.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Yeah, I rarely call 10 seconds in the BC, so let's lower that to 7 too.

I usually hit between 3 and 4 on all my 5 second counts, so hey let's make that one 3.5 to save time as well.

Only the free throw shooter.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Old School

Only the free throw shooter.

It's called sarcasm...like most things about officiating, we found something else you don't understand.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

It's called sarcasm...like most things about officiating, we found something else you don't understand.

Whatever....

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Old School

I meant instead of 10 seconds to shoot the FT, lower it to 7 seconds or some # below 10, or just do away with it all together.

If you did away with it all together there would be no limit to the amount of time the FTer could take.

Reduce it to 7 seconds...? Why? Do all of the FTs in your game take the full 10 seconds?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

If you did away with it all together there would be no limit to the amount of time the FTer could take.

Reduce it to 7 seconds...? Why? Do all of the FTs in your game take the full 10 seconds?

Here's another good one for Rocky to chime in...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Here's another good one for Rocky to chime in...

How about Old School's ideas for calling technical fouls on fans? That fits in too. Rocky?

Can you give a flagrant technical foul to a fan?