What the heck do you call????

[kycat1]

You make the call (this actually happened in a state tournament game)!

Team A down by 1 point with 5 seconds in the game. Both teams in the bonus. OOB throw end on sideline in A’s backcourt after time out. A1 throws to A2 who is confused and dribbles to the wrong basket and puts up a shot that hits the backboard and then rebounds off of the rim. A2 then jumps up, grabs the rebound and starts to shoot the ball again at the wrong basket.
B1, thinking A2 is about to score, jumps up to block the shot and fouls A2 after the ball leaves A2 hands but before the horn goes off to end the game. Then the ball goes through the basket after the horn.
Yes, all of this happened within the last 5 seconds of the game. Both coaches, all players and all fans are screaming excitedly.
What do you call?
You have just a few seconds to get your crew together and decide. No rule books on the floor.
I'll post the crews correct decision next Monday!

[jcarter]

Ill take a stab,

Basket counts towords B score, then go and A is shooting for the bounus 1 and 1 or 2 depending on if they were in bounus or double bonus.


That is my guess, but i will look it up when i get home.

[Raymond]

It's definitely no basket.

2 things preventing the basket from counting.

• The foul

• The horn

This is basic rules knowlege. This was not a shot attempt so the horn and/or foul make the ball dead.

[Adam]

Doh! I forgot about the foul making the ball dead. So, while you might be able to put time back on, you cannot count this basket. Doh!

[budjones05]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Doh! I forgot about the foul making the ball dead. So, while you might be able to put time back on, you cannot count this basket. Doh!

You can only put time on if you know how much has elaspe

[Adam]

Originally Posted by budjones05

You can only put time on if you know how much has elaspe

Which is what I said on my first post.

[Adam]

It's easy. No need to wait until Monday. Since the last shot was not a legitimate shot attempt (at the wrong basket), the ball becomes dead at the horn. B does not get the points for the shot.
A2 gets bonus free throws at the other end.

This year, if one of the officials sees time on the clock at the whistle, then you can count the basket and put that time back on. A2 still gets bonus free throws at the other end.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by kycat1

Team A down by 1 point with 5 seconds in the game. Both teams in the bonus.
A1 throws to A2 who is confused and dribbles to the wrong basket and puts up a shot that hits the backboard and then rebounds off of the rim. A2 then jumps up, grabs the rebound and starts to shoot the ball again at the wrong basket.
B1, thinking A2 is about to score, jumps up to block the shot and fouls A2 after the ball leaves A2 hands but before the horn goes off to end the game. Then the ball goes through the basket after the horn.

No basket because it's not a "try". A2 shoots either 1/1 or 2 shots, depending on what bonus they are in(we aren't told). If A2 makes 1 FT, the game goes to OT. If A2 makes 2 FT's, the game is over. Case book play 4.41.2.

[FishinRef]

I agree with Snaq & Jurassic.

No basket for Team B - A's shot was not a legitimate shot attempt.
Ball is dead immediately after the foul.
Team A will shoot 1/1 or 2 depending on the foul count.
Clock may be reset if officials had definite knowledge of the exact time when the foul was called.

[FrankHtown]

Ok...she dribbled, took a shot at the opponent's basket, then got the rebound. Something in the back of my mind says that's a double dribble.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

Ok...she dribbled, took a shot at the opponent's basket, then got the rebound. Something in the back of my mind says that's a double dribble.

According to the post, she dribble, shot, and got her own rebound, then shot again. It didn't say she dribble again and shot. Not a double dribble but maybe traveling with the ball, because you can't pass the ball to yourself. Traveling violation stops the clock, no foul ever occurred. Team B ball underneath. Owe, unless foul is flagrant or intentional, fouls after the ball is dead is ignored.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by Old School

According to the post, she dribble, shot, and got her own rebound, then shot again. It didn't say she dribble again and shot. Not a double dribble but maybe traveling with the ball, because you can't pass the ball to yourself. Traveling violation stops the clock, no foul ever occurred. Team B ball underneath. Owe, unless foul is flagrant or intentional, fouls after the ball is dead is ignored.

A2 does not need to dribble again...

9.5 Situation: A1 dribbles and comes to a stop after which he/she throws the ball against the opponent’s backboard or an official and catches the rebound.
Ruling: A1 has violated. Throwing the ball against an opponent’s backboard or an official constitutes another dribble, provided A1 is first to touch the ball after it strikes the official or the board. (4-15-2; Fundamental 19)

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by Old School

According to the post, she dribble, shot, and got her own rebound, then shot again. It didn't say she dribble again and shot. Not a double dribble but maybe traveling with the ball, because you can't pass the ball to yourself. Traveling violation stops the clock, no foul ever occurred. Team B ball underneath. Owe, unless foul is flagrant or intentional, fouls after the ball is dead is ignored.

OS, read your rulebook, Violation - Dribble rule 9.5 Situation

It counts as a dribble if you bounce the ball off the board. Dribble one on the floor, dribble two on the backboard. I don't know how in the world you get a traveling.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

Ok...she dribbled, took a shot at the opponent's basket, then got the rebound. Something in the back of my mind says that's a double dribble.

Aaaaargh!

Good catch.

[rainmaker]

From the OP, it sounds possible that even if the ref did call the double dribble as soon as he saw it, all the rest of the action could have happened, it may not have been too late.

Also, the OP doesn't say whether the ball did or didn't go into B's basket before the horn. It says the foul was after the shot before the horn. Because of the double dribble, it doesn't matter. But suppose the double dribble hadn't happend, such as if A3 had grabbed the "rebound" and shot and been fouled by B. Then if the ball went in before the horn, it would count, even though the foul wouldn't be on the shot. How's that for confusing?

Okay, now I'm going to go pay my bills, wash my dishes and do my game.

have a nice weekend.