Coach wants specific side on endline...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Good points, except the ball was made dead by the basket. There is no location closest to the ball in this case. There is no 'spot' in this case. Move to the other side, wait for your partner(s) to adjust, remind the players he can run the line and put the ball in play.

Unless of course the ball was already at someone's disposal when the TO request was made.

But, I've never had a coach request a certain spot to begin a non-designated spot throw-in so I've never had to think about it.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Unless of course the ball was already at someone's disposal when the TO request was made.

I would be interested to see if you can provide a rule for this (not saying you can't, just too lazy to look myself).

Anyway, consider yourself challenged

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I would be interested to see if you can provide a rule for this (not saying you can't, just too lazy to look myself).

Anyway, consider yourself challenged

You said the ball is always dead when these time-outs are requested. My point is that the ball is not always dead. Sometimes it is live because it is a the disposal of the throw-in team. So in those cases I start the thrower-in at the appropriate spot but remind him/her that they still have the privilege of running the base-line.

And as I stated previously, I've never had a coach ask me to start the throw-in from a specific spot, they always just want to confirm that their player can run the base-line.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You said the ball is always dead when these time-outs are requested. My point is that the ball is not always dead. Sometimes it is live because it is a the disposal of the throw-in team. So in those cases I start the thrower-in at the appropriate spot but remind him/her that they still have the privilege of running the base-line.

Yeahbut what I'm saying is even in this case I will let him start at whatever side he wants. Why? Because the ball was not made dead at a spot, it was made dead at the endline. He's entitled to be anywhere on the endline - start, middle or finish of the throw-in.

If you have a rule to show I'm wrong I would be glad to see it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

He's entitled to be anywhere on the endline - start, middle or finish of the throw-in.

Well, maybe not the middle. Outside the FT lane extended maybe.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Yeahbut what I'm saying is even in this case I will let him start at whatever side he wants. Why? Because the ball was not made dead at a spot, it was made dead at the endline. He's entitled to be anywhere on the endline - start, middle or finish of the throw-in.

If you have a rule to show I'm wrong I would be glad to see it.

I didn't say you were wrong about putting the ball in where the coach requested, I said you were wrong for saying the ball is always dead. (I've been reading to many of Jurassic's posts )

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You said the ball is always dead when these time-outs are requested. My point is that the ball is not always dead. Sometimes it is live because it is a the disposal of the throw-in team. So in those cases I start the thrower-in at the appropriate spot but remind him/her that they still have the privilege of running the base-line.

So....what if the thrower is right in the middle of the paint when the TO is called. Would you still pick a side, or let the coach choose which side to start?

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

So....what if the thrower is right in the middle of the paint when the TO is called. Would you still pick a side, or let the coach choose which side to start?

Or even worse, would you put the ball in play directly under the basket?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

So....what if the thrower is right in the middle of the paint when the TO is called. Would you still pick a side, or let the coach choose which side to start?

If the coach asked for a side I would fulfill the request. If no request is made I would look to see where my parter(s) gravitated to and adjust accordingly.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If the coach asked for a side I would fulfill the request. If no request is made I would look to see where my parter(s) gravitated to and adjust accordingly.

Agree. Isn't that what Dan was arguing about too?

I get soooooo confused sometimes.

[Ignats75]

I have a hard time with the whole fulfilling the coach's request thing. If a time out is called, I try to indicate to my partner(s), where the ball will be put in play right away. This isn't the reason I do it, but it sure works for this situation too. Since I've already indicated where the throw-in will be, there's no reason for the discussion.

[mick]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If the coach asked for a side I would fulfill the request. If no request is made I would look to see where my parter(s) gravitated to and adjust accordingly.

I dunno.
Partners will generally adjust to administrating official after a time-out, I think.

[RookieDude]

[QUOTE=BadNewsRef] I've never had a coach ask me to start the throw-in from a specific spot[/ QUOTE]

BNR...you keep saying that you have never had a coach ask you what we are discussing. In 18 years of officiating, either have I. But, what difference does that really make...it happened to an official, I was asked, and IMO...the sitch can be used as a learning tool.

We, as officials, should strive to be consistent with our calls (or non-calls)...as seen here, we have different ideas as to what we would do in this situation.

FWIW...I told the official that I would have no problem with putting the ball in play on either side of the basket...as long as our crew had not already "set up" for the throw-in. IOW...if I was ready to administer the TI, I would not "switch" to the other side at the coach's request.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

FWIW...I told the official that I would have no problem with putting the ball in play on either side of the basket...as long as our crew had not already "set up" for the throw-in. IOW...if I was ready to administer the TI, I would not "switch" to the other side at the coach's request.

It takes....what....5 seconds for every official to switch? I just don't think that it's really a big deal myself. I am gonna allow the defense time to re-set too though. That's only fair.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It takes....what....5 seconds for every official to switch? I just don't think that it's really a big deal myself. I am gonna allow the defense time to re-set too though. That's only fair.

I hear you JR...but, I just don't think this looks too "clean". Once we are ready to put the ball in play...I wouldn't really like the coach shouting over to me to "switch" sides, again JMO.

Yes, maybe it would take only "5 seconds"...but, it might be argued the switching action disrupts the "flow". Also, now that the coach sees his "power'...will he abuse it, in these situations? i.e. Tight game...he likes the way one official lets um' bang on the boards...so he has the crew position itself with that official as L. Probably way over a Coach's thought process ...so I'll stick with the "clean" and "flow" argument.