Illegal Screens

[riden]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I retract everything I've written in this thread.

If this is what you guys are teaching it is not a natural stance and is illegal and probably amounts to rough play.

I don't ever see this in the games I work, probably because running into a screener with elbows extended frontward and then being held by the screener would not lead to anything good for the screener.

Do you woman's officials see this in your games?

Not you guys, I never said anything about the notch.

What he is teaching and what I am tallking about, are two different things. Not talking about aggresion or elbows to the throat. I never said anything about that.

The thread has been hijacked, but the original question has only been answered by a few.

Ignoring Penn Coachs tactic, is he/she out of the cylinder.?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by riden

Not you guys, I never said anything about the notch.

What he is teaching and what I am tallking about, are two different things. Not talking about aggresion or elbows to the throat. I never said anything about that.

The thread has been hijacked, but the original question has only been answered by a few.

Ignoring Penn Coachs tactic, is he/she out of the cylinder.?

Extending the arms fully or partially other than vertically so that freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with the arms occurs is not legal. These positions are employed when rebounding, screening or in various aspects of postplay...That is directly from the rule book 10.6.1.

A player shall not: hold, push, charge, trip; nor impede the progress of an opponent by extending an arm, shoulder, hip or knee, or by bending the body into other than a normal position...also from 10.6.1

There you have it, IT'S ILLEGAL!

[riden]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Extending the arms fully or partially other than vertically so that freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with the arms occurs is not legal. These positions are employed when rebounding, screening or in various aspects of postplay...That is directly from the rule book 10.6.1.

A player shall not: hold, push, charge, trip; nor impede the progress of an opponent by extending an arm, shoulder, hip or knee, or by bending the body into other than a normal position...also from 10.6.1

There you have it, IT'S ILLEGAL!

I don't agree with your interpretation of that rule.

I don't think that locking your arms in the manner described qualifies as extension or partial extension of your ams.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by riden

I don't agree with your interpretation of that rule.

I don't think that locking your arms in the manner described qualifies as extension or partial extension of your ams.

Then why ask the question, if all you do is ignore the answer?

That is the rule book, it's clear that 1. locking your arms in front of your body is extending your arm other than vertical, so what's to interpret? 2. feet wide, leaning back in a squat, with your arms locked several inches in front of the body is not a natural position, because you are bending your body in an unnatural way...again both fall completely under the no-no's in 10.6.1.

If I'm coaching against your team, my defenders will be contacting that illegal technique all game long, drawing one foul after another.

[riden]

OK

How is crossing your arms on your chest vertical??? I read extension as extending the elbow. And the elbow is not extended.

How is it an unnatural postion, you are in no different body position than your are receiving a pass? How can it be unnatural?

[cmathews]

Unless their arms are touching their chest or stomach while they are crossed, they are extended even if ever so slightly......illegal

[cmathews]

Here is one I have seen and heard coaches, and even a few officials use....if it isn't called it is legal....using that logic, and I agree with it, if it is called it is ILLEGAL....so there you have it, illegal LOL

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by riden

OK

How is crossing your arms on your chest vertical??? I read extension as extending the elbow. And the elbow is not extended.

How is it an unnatural postion, you are in no different body position than your are receiving a pass? How can it be unnatural?

I think you're envisioning a entirely different pose than the rest of us.

I read the description to be that the upper arms are pointed directly away from the body (with the elbows out) and the forearms are folded back in, toward the chest.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think you're envisioning a entirely different pose than the rest of us.

I read the description to be that the upper arms are pointed directly away from the body (with the elbows out) and the forearms are folded back in, toward the chest.

I see the I Dream of Jeanie pose, with arms out from the shoulders, arms crossed with hands on opposite biceps...although Barbara Eden wasn't in an unnatural squat. But what part of the arm that is out isn't really important, because by rule ANY PART being extended other than vertical is illegal if contact hinders an opponent, which is the entire purpose of a screen.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by riden

Ignoring Penn Coachs tactic, is he/she out of the cylinder.?

I cannot pass on this one...where do I find this "cylinder" in the rule book?

....besides BI ....



I used to teach boys JV to cover the family jewels.
But now that I have girls I tell them to cover whatever you want, just make sure the Officials can see your hands and arms up againt your bodies somewhere.

My girls tend to lean forward on setting screens....anticipating and bracing for a train wreck.....can't seem to break them of that. When they lean out, the "I Dream of Jeannie" pose comes out. We have at least one illegal screen/game

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by CoachP

My girls tend to lean forward on setting screens....anticipating and bracing for a train wreck.....can't seem to break them of that. When they lean out, the "I Dream of Jeannie" pose comes out. We have at least one illegal screen/game

I would never have called a foul on Barbara Eden in her prime.