Girl's Game Sitch - Basket or No Basket

[IUgrad92]

High school girl's game, with 30 sec. shot clock in play.

A1 fouls B1 while in the shooting motion and prohibits the ball from immediately leaving the shooter's hand. The 30 sec. shot clock sounds while the ball is still in B1's hand, but then the ball is shot and goes in. What is the result?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

High school girl's game, with 30 sec. shot clock in play.

A1 fouls B1 while in the shooting motion and prohibits the ball from immediately leaving the shooter's hand. The 30 sec. shot clock sounds while the ball is still in B1's hand, but then the ball is shot and goes in. What is the result?

Well, the shot obviously cannot count if it wasn't released before the shot clock horn. Penalize the foul and shoot 2 FTs.

Anyone who would even consider a held ball here is a complete and utter moron!

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Well, the shot obviously cannot count if it wasn't released before the shot clock horn. But I would likely have a held ball here. If the horn sounds as I'm blowing the whistle, then shot clock violation.

So, are we going to ignore the foul?

No, we have a shooting foul with two free throws awarded. The basket doesn't count as it was after the shot clock horn.
You could only have a held ball in this sitch if B1 was an airborne shooter, which is not specified in the OP. If he is on the floor, it's not a held ball, and that is assuming there was no foul also.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by truerookie

So, are we going to ignore the foul?

where do you get a held ball scrapper?

Aaauurrrgghhhh!! I missed the foul. I thought the question was about the shot clock. My bad!! Definitely penalize the shooting foul. No held ball. No basket. 2 shots for the kid that was fouled.

The lesson, as always: I'm an idiot.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The lesson, as always: I'm an idiot.

Well, we certainly don't expect you Texas Ranger's fans to be perfect.

Or smart.

You are stoopid beyond your years.

[Raymond]

Do the same rules apply to stopping the shot clock as would stopping the game clock. In other words if the whistle blows and we see 1 second on the shot clock could we say we have definite knowledge that the shot clock should have stopped?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

High school girl's game, with 30 sec. shot clock in play.

A1 fouls B1 while in the shooting motion and prohibits the ball from immediately leaving the shooter's hand. The 30 sec. shot clock sounds while the ball is still in B1's hand, but then the ball is shot and goes in. What is the result?

From last night's meeting?

[deecee]

foul occured before the horn sounds -- shooting foul -- horn sounds then ball released and goes in -- no score of the basket. 2 shot foul

where do you get a held ball scrapper?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

High school girl's game, with 30 sec. shot clock in play.

A1 fouls B1 while in the shooting motion and prohibits the ball from immediately leaving the shooter's hand. The 30 sec. shot clock sounds while the ball is still in B1's hand, but then the ball is shot and goes in. What is the result?

Waive off the basket. Penalize the foul with 2 or 3 free throws awarded to B1, accordingly.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

High school girl's game, with 30 sec. shot clock in play.

A1 fouls B1 while in the shooting motion and prohibits the ball from immediately leaving the shooter's hand. The 30 sec. shot clock sounds while the ball is still in B1's hand, but then the ball is shot and goes in. What is the result?

The case book clearly says that you don't count the basket and give the shooter 2 or 3 shots. -- FED and NCAA
NCAA rules state that you shall go to the monitor on this situation to see if the foul occurred and/or the shot was released before the horn or 0.00 on the clock. And if the foul occurred before the expiration of time, you put the time back on the clock that remained when the foul occurred, not when the whistle blew.
Question is this: By putting time back on the clock, the period never expired and the horn shoudn't have sounded.
Do we then count the basket because of the timing error?
Which rule supercedes the other?

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by socalreff

The case book clearly says that you don't count the basket and give the shooter 2 or 3 shots. -- FED and NCAA
NCAA rules state that you shall go to the monitor on this situation to see if the foul occurred and/or the shot was released before the horn or 0.00 on the clock. And if the foul occurred before the expiration of time, you put the time back on the clock that remained when the foul occurred, not when the whistle blew.
Question is this: By putting time back on the clock, the period never expired and the horn shoudn't have sounded.
Do we then count the basket because of the timing error?
Which rule supercedes the other?

Not trying to sound like a jerk...but could you please point out in the case book and NFHS rulebook (not with me at the current moment, and would like to look it up later) why the basket would NOT count?

Whether it was "foul", "horn", "release" OR "foul", "release", "horn" on the make, wouldn't the foul cancel out the shot clock? She'd be in the act of shooting regardless of whether ANY horn went off, right?

Again, not trying to sound like a smarta#%, just really intrigued by this question. Thanks!

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

Not trying to sound like a jerk...but could you please point out in the case book and NFHS rulebook (not with me at the current moment, and would like to look it up later) why the basket would NOT count?

Whether it was "foul", "horn", "release" OR "foul", "release", "horn" on the make, wouldn't the foul cancel out the shot clock? She'd be in the act of shooting regardless of whether ANY horn went off, right?

Again, not trying to sound like a smarta#%, just really intrigued by this question. Thanks!

Think of it as a last shot situation.

On your "foul, "horn", "release" the shot will not count due to the horn sounding she did not release the shot before the horn Rule 7-7-5 see exception a & b) although the player started the shooting motion.

On the "foul, "release" "horn" the shot will only count if the shooter release the ball before the horn. In this situation you will allow the shooter to complete the try for goal. See Rule 7-7-5 exception c

I hope this clear it up a little more.

[Adam]

If you put time back on the clock, the basket should count.

Now; how in the world are you finding old threads like this? More importantly, why?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you put time back on the clock, the basket should count.

Can you explain this one a little more?