Coach won't tolerate players getting technicals

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by amcginthy

I get the point of adults / kids rules... but, this is a fine line when you are the example, the mentor that is supposed to be teaching things like sportsmanship and character - do as I say, not as I do doesn't apply to character....NEVER... example... HS coach kicks kid off team for getting DUI, two weeks later, coach gets DUI...private school, so no board to do anything... headmaster gives a formal reprimand and a second chance... what kind of lesson has been taught here...

Again, I'm a coach, not a ref.. I read here all the time... I have seen that "Unsporting is Unsporting" no matter what... this goes for coaches as well as players... if a coach is going to pull a player for a T, he/she had better pull themselves if they get one... because sportsmanship is learned and taught...

You know what you tell the kids, "Life is not fair." There are a lot of situations where punishments are not equal. I am not saying a coach should not hold himself/herself to a higher standard. I am just saying that even if a coach gets T, I do not have a problem with no one expecting a coach to take a similar punishment. I know as an official I do not allow players to behave the same way as an adult (I am not the only one that feels that way either). If I do not give Ts to coaches for the same reason as a player, I do not think a coach should have the same penalty. Once again, just a personal opinion.

Peace

Originally Posted by amcginthy

Also, my girls are required to do 2 community service projects that I decide...

I can understand maybe making someone sit because of their grades if it is a school sanctioned team, but this? Most schools have academic stop lists for players that aren't doing well.
Why is it your responsibility to prepare these kids for their future? That's what the parents are for. If I was paying for my kid to play/learn basketball, I wouldn't be too pleased either if you were imposing requirements on them that have nothing to do with the game.
Not trying to be harsh. I just don't see the significance.

[deecee]

if I coach I coach on my terms -- otherwise DONT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY FOR THAT COACH.

It really annoys the sh!t out of me when I coached that I would lay out what was expected and when I went to enforce or follow up the parents all seemed so shocked and make a big deal of it. Requiring your players to do some sort of community service -- especially for AAU type teams is VERY GOOD -- being a coach is more than just teaching the X's and O's of the sport and the really good ones teach the X's and O's of life though the sport that they are teaching.

IF THE PARENTS DONE LIKE IT FIND ANOTHER TEAM OR COACH TO HAVE YOUR KIDS PLAY ON

Go take a valium deecee, you need to relax.

I have no problems with coaches setting the bar for their kids. I've coached soccer, baseball and basketball, and all the kids and parents are well informed as to what is expected from them. I'm focused on teaching them the game and good sportsmanship. There are plenty of life lessons to be learned there without cleaning roadsides and visiting nursing homes. JMO

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by deecee

if I coach I coach on my terms -- otherwise DONT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY FOR THAT COACH.

It really annoys the sh!t out of me when I coached that I would lay out what was expected and when I went to enforce or follow up the parents all seemed so shocked and make a big deal of it. Requiring your players to do some sort of community service -- especially for AAU type teams is VERY GOOD -- being a coach is more than just teaching the X's and O's of the sport and the really good ones teach the X's and O's of life though the sport that they are teaching.

IF THE PARENTS DONE LIKE IT FIND ANOTHER TEAM OR COACH TO HAVE YOUR KIDS PLAY ON

I couldn't agree more!!

Although I learned the foundation of everything I know about basketball from my HS coach Morgan Wootten, I learned much more about life from him than basketball.

[GarthB]

Requiring your players to do some sort of community service -- especially for AAU type teams is VERY GOOD

As a teacher and as one who volunteers with various non-profits, I have long been confused about the concept of forced volunteerism. This oxymoron seem lost on a lot of people.

I prefer to organize volunteer opportunities for my students and explain the need for each of us to help others from time to time. The final decision to volunteer, however, I leave up to each student.

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Requiring your players to do some sort of community service -- especially for AAU type teams is VERY GOOD

As a teacher and as one who volunteers with various non-profits, I have long been confused about the concept of forced volunteerism. This oxymoron seem lost on a lot of people.

I prefer to organize volunteer opportunities for my students and explain the need for each of us to help others from time to time. The final decision to volunteer, however, I leave up to each student.

I wouldn't consider this forced volunteerism... anymore than I am forcing them to come to practice or games. If you miss a game, and I don't know ahead of time, or there isn't some emergency - you are off my team.. No questions asked. First day of tryouts - when I explain the contract to parents and players, I let them know that we will be doing 2 events in the community

I do understand you point though...

[Ref Daddy]

If the Coach has determined that his players will not/can not receive a T .... what happens if one or two are tagged to him?

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

If the Coach has determined that his players will not/can not receive a T .... what happens if one or two are tagged to him?

this was exactly the point I brought up in the beginning.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

If the Coach has determined that his players will not/can not receive a T .... what happens if one or two are tagged to him?

Some coaches teach that. They want to be the only ones talking to the officials during the game. Personally, I don't get involved in the philosophies anyway. None of that has got anything to do with us as officials. I just call a "T" on anyone who deserves one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

If the Coach has determined that his players will not/can not receive a T .... what happens if one or two are tagged to him?

So are you telling me the long time school Superintendent gets called for a DUI and a teacher with no tenure is caught for a DUI at the same time, do you think the punishment is going to be the same?

I am sure you know the answer to this question.

Peace

[Raymond]

Back to the subject at hand. In my entire basketball playing career running from 6th grade up to last year when I was playing Over-32 intramurals (at 41 years of age) every single technical foul I received, except for 2, I knew I was acting out of line yet decided not to control myself.

Even at 11 years old I knew I was being an a$$ in reaction to a call I didn't like. Playing with emotion has nothing to do with getting technical fouls for unsporting behavior.

On a side note: The two I didn't think I deserved:

• The official thought I said something that I honestly did not say.

• I said to an official, "you can't penalize me for hustle" (well, maybe I did deserve that one, but at the time I was not trying to get a T)

[ref2coach]

Just an FYI, In soccer any player who gets 2 "Yellow Cards" is out for the remainder of the game plus the next game. Coaches in NFHS & NCAA soccer shown two "Yellow Cards" also out for remainder of game plus next game. I referee both Basketball and Soccer and the regarding "unsporting behavior" a technical and a "Yellow Card" are pretty much the same.

I have never understood why our state enforces the "next game" ban on Soccer players & Coaches but does not have the same requirement for Basketball players and Coaches.

[deecee]

if you get 2 T's you are out for that game and the next -- so what are you griping about

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by PYRef

I can understand maybe making someone sit because of their grades if it is a school sanctioned team, but this? Most schools have academic stop lists for players that aren't doing well.
Why is it your responsibility to prepare these kids for their future? That's what the parents are for. If I was paying for my kid to play/learn basketball, I wouldn't be too pleased either if you were imposing requirements on them that have nothing to do with the game.
Not trying to be harsh. I just don't see the significance.

1. You have to be intelligent to play basketball on my team - if not, your lost! If you can't manage to get a "B" in Social Studies, then chances are, you won't be able to manage the concepts that I want you to learn on the court - also, if you can't manage to get a "B", then basketball practice 4 nights a week plus weekend games, shouldn't be your priority (imho)

2. It's not like I surprised anyone - this is something that is on a players contract signed the first day of tryouts - I'm not forcing anyone to play on my team.

3. And being responsible for you grades has EVERYTHING to do with the game. My girls know that basketball is a privelage - not a right - they have to work hard to play on my team. When they get to college - they'll be able to handle whatever a coach throws at them and get good grades at the same time. You are exactly right, I don't have to do what I do - it is the parent's job - but more reinforcement can't hurt.

4. Although a few parents didn't like the idea from the start - when their children's grades improved, they then thought it was a great policy!!