Coach won't tolerate players getting technicals

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by amcginthy

Well, I'm a coach and I'm fine with it (as long as if this coach gets a "T", he abides by the same rules - he removes himself from the bench and can't coach - what's good for the goose...)

I agree that coaches should not get Ts either, but the coaches are adults. Children need to understand that there is a different standard when you an adult as to when you are a child. You do not need the same rule to apply to player and coach. That is my opinion.

Peace

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree that coaches should not get Ts either, but the coaches are adults. Children need to understand that there is a different standard when you an adult as to when you are a child. You do not need the same rule to apply to player and coach. That is my opinion.

Peace

I completely disagree (respectfully of course..)

If you are going to pull a player because he lost control of his/her emotions, then you as a coach, had better not loose control of yours. If my player gets frustrated at a call and slams the ball to the ground and receives a T... I pull that player and sit them and won't play them again that game... 15 minutes later, I get pissed at a call that I didn't like and kick my chair or throw my clipboard... I get T...

How does being an adult justify my actions. It doesn't... Not in any way.

As a coach, you can't preach what you don't practice... if you do, you will lose the respect of your team and really send them the wrong message.

[JRutledge]

I think you are missing my point. Adults are adults, children our children. I do not expect a coach to enforce a rule the exact same for him that he has for the players. Players are the ones doing the running up and down the court, not the coach. Should a coach run suicides (lines or whatever you call them) when they make a mistake? Of course not. You do not have to agree with that, but I believe what rules adults will set have little or nothing to do with the children have to adhere to. When they start paying bills and taking total responsibility for their lives, then they will have more say. Even then someone will set some rules that they personally will not have to adhere to (boss, spouse, their children ).

Peace

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think you are missing my point. Adults are adults, children our children. I do not expect a coach to enforce a rule the exact same for him that he has for the players. Players are the ones doing the running up and down the court, not the coach. Should a coach run suicides (lines or whatever you call them) when they make a mistake? Of course not. You do not have to agree with that, but I believe what rules adults will set have little or nothing to do with the children have to adhere to. When they start paying bills and taking total responsibility for their lives, then they will have more say. Even then someone will set some rules that they personally will not have to adhere to (boss, spouse, their children ).

Peace

I get the point of adults / kids rules... but, this is a fine line when you are the example, the mentor that is supposed to be teaching things like sportsmanship and character - do as I say, not as I do doesn't apply to character....NEVER... example... HS coach kicks kid off team for getting DUI, two weeks later, coach gets DUI...private school, so no board to do anything... headmaster gives a formal reprimand and a second chance... what kind of lesson has been taught here...

Again, I'm a coach, not a ref.. I read here all the time... I have seen that "Unsporting is Unsporting" no matter what... this goes for coaches as well as players... if a coach is going to pull a player for a T, he/she had better pull themselves if they get one... because sportsmanship is learned and taught...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by amcginthy

I get the point of adults / kids rules... but, this is a fine line when you are the example, the mentor that is supposed to be teaching things like sportsmanship and character - do as I say, not as I do doesn't apply to character....NEVER... example... HS coach kicks kid off team for getting DUI, two weeks later, coach gets DUI...private school, so no board to do anything... headmaster gives a formal reprimand and a second chance... what kind of lesson has been taught here...

Again, I'm a coach, not a ref.. I read here all the time... I have seen that "Unsporting is Unsporting" no matter what... this goes for coaches as well as players... if a coach is going to pull a player for a T, he/she had better pull themselves if they get one... because sportsmanship is learned and taught...

You know what you tell the kids, "Life is not fair." There are a lot of situations where punishments are not equal. I am not saying a coach should not hold himself/herself to a higher standard. I am just saying that even if a coach gets T, I do not have a problem with no one expecting a coach to take a similar punishment. I know as an official I do not allow players to behave the same way as an adult (I am not the only one that feels that way either). If I do not give Ts to coaches for the same reason as a player, I do not think a coach should have the same penalty. Once again, just a personal opinion.

Peace

Originally Posted by amcginthy

Also, my girls are required to do 2 community service projects that I decide...

I can understand maybe making someone sit because of their grades if it is a school sanctioned team, but this? Most schools have academic stop lists for players that aren't doing well.
Why is it your responsibility to prepare these kids for their future? That's what the parents are for. If I was paying for my kid to play/learn basketball, I wouldn't be too pleased either if you were imposing requirements on them that have nothing to do with the game.
Not trying to be harsh. I just don't see the significance.

[deecee]

if I coach I coach on my terms -- otherwise DONT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY FOR THAT COACH.

It really annoys the sh!t out of me when I coached that I would lay out what was expected and when I went to enforce or follow up the parents all seemed so shocked and make a big deal of it. Requiring your players to do some sort of community service -- especially for AAU type teams is VERY GOOD -- being a coach is more than just teaching the X's and O's of the sport and the really good ones teach the X's and O's of life though the sport that they are teaching.

IF THE PARENTS DONE LIKE IT FIND ANOTHER TEAM OR COACH TO HAVE YOUR KIDS PLAY ON

[amcginthy]

Originally Posted by PYRef

I can understand maybe making someone sit because of their grades if it is a school sanctioned team, but this? Most schools have academic stop lists for players that aren't doing well.
Why is it your responsibility to prepare these kids for their future? That's what the parents are for. If I was paying for my kid to play/learn basketball, I wouldn't be too pleased either if you were imposing requirements on them that have nothing to do with the game.
Not trying to be harsh. I just don't see the significance.

1. You have to be intelligent to play basketball on my team - if not, your lost! If you can't manage to get a "B" in Social Studies, then chances are, you won't be able to manage the concepts that I want you to learn on the court - also, if you can't manage to get a "B", then basketball practice 4 nights a week plus weekend games, shouldn't be your priority (imho)

2. It's not like I surprised anyone - this is something that is on a players contract signed the first day of tryouts - I'm not forcing anyone to play on my team.

3. And being responsible for you grades has EVERYTHING to do with the game. My girls know that basketball is a privelage - not a right - they have to work hard to play on my team. When they get to college - they'll be able to handle whatever a coach throws at them and get good grades at the same time. You are exactly right, I don't have to do what I do - it is the parent's job - but more reinforcement can't hurt.

4. Although a few parents didn't like the idea from the start - when their children's grades improved, they then thought it was a great policy!!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by PYRef

Why is it your responsibility to prepare these kids for their future?

None. It's certainly not the responsibility of teachers and coaches to help prepare kids for the future.

Kudos deecee on the community involvement of your players!

[deecee]

old school -- sometimes i try and defend you -- but here I cannot -- the AD should have issued you a T.

as for what this coach is doing great for him!!!

Many coaches preach a tough philosophy, but when faced with following through and benching one of their top players for a big game they buckle. Parents will whine about something or the other -- I think as a coach your single most important philosphy should be DLITGTFO -- "Dont like it then get the F*&% out"

[fonzzy07]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree that coaches should not get Ts either, but the coaches are adults. Children need to understand that there is a different standard when you an adult as to when you are a child. You do not need the same rule to apply to player and coach. That is my opinion.

Peace

Jr, I think this is the first time we disagree. I actually hold the coach to a higher standered since he is the modle of sportsmanship. Am I alone in this??
Just my 2 cents.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fonzzy07

Jr, I think this is the first time we disagree. I actually hold the coach to a higher standered since he is the modle of sportsmanship. Am I alone in this??
Just my 2 cents.

fonzzy, I think you'll find that a lot of coaches have a philosophy that the only person who should get a T on his/her team is the coach. They want their players to play and leave all the interaction with the officials up to the coaches.

Similar to what I tell my teen-age son about his behavior at school. He (player) is to do what the teachers (officials) tell him, if teachers (officials) are doing something he (player) doesn't like, let me (coach) know and I (coach) will deal with the teachers (officials).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fonzzy07

Jr, I think this is the first time we disagree. I actually hold the coach to a higher standered since he is the modle of sportsmanship. Am I alone in this??
Just my 2 cents.

It is not about holding someone to a higher standard. I have a different standard for adults then I do with children. I do not believe people that live with their parents have the same rights as someone that was hired to run a program. When I was a kid I was told until I moved out of my parent’s house, I do not have much say. Just because it is a basketball game, does not mean some of the same things do not apply.

Peace