get me out of this mess

[boiseball]

.2 seconds left (yes less than a second); ball at half court with visitors; tie game; so no way this game is doing anything except go to overtime, right?? these are crappy small school varsity girls who cannot even throw the ball half of the court.

I hand the ball to the girl to bring the ball in. She kind of drops it and then picks it up and looks up to bring the ball in bounds; suddenly, girl gaurding the inbounds decides to strip her; the ball is more than a foot behind the out of bounds line;

I pause for a second as the ball rolls away and then I blow my whistle and just look in shock

you know the rest of the story; they found the only way they could lose that game in regulation; mind boggeling

anyone have a suggestion of how I could have avoided that situation, realistically, I suppose we might as well make the assumption that this will only happen in these types of games, where kids are not very talented and have low basketball i.q.; anything you guys do when bringing ball in that would prevent something that foolish?

on a related note, lately I have been seeing a lot of 50/50 balls coming on throwin, meaning balls that are being deflected almost right out of the hand of the guy throwing the ball in bounds and right on the end of the out of bounds line (such that it would be legal if it is over the line); really close call and too close to call a T; anyone have suggestions how I can prevent those from happening?

[mplagrow]

When dealing with a lower level of play, and suspecting some low basketball i.q, as you put it, I will take my hand and show the defender the invisible wall of the sideline by dropping my raised arm between the defender and thrower. If that isn't enough, I'll say, "Keep behind this." No problems. Usually making the wall is enough for them to get the hint.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

When dealing with a lower level of play, and suspecting some low basketball i.q, as you put it, I will take my hand and show the defender the invisible wall of the sideline by dropping my raised arm between the defender and thrower. If that isn't enough, I'll say, "Keep behind this." No problems. Usually making the wall is enough for them to get the hint.

I sometimes do the same thing. Unfortunately, the b-ball IQ being low to start with, many of the players still have no concept of what I'm talking about and I get the deer-in-the-headlights stare from them.

Boiseball, you should rejoice in the fact that a player rescued you from what would have obviously been such a painful overtime...take small victories when and where you can get them

[mick]

Player IQ is not the question, I think.
Find me a good coach, like Coach P, who officiates, studies the rules and teaches the game to proven winners.
His players know because they are coached to know.

[Texas Aggie]

You might just say, "don't reach through" and hope that 1) they are listening and 2) know what you are talking about. But it isn't your job to educate them. Preventative officiating only requires simple instructions. If it gets to the point of you having to get out a chalk board, it then ceases to be your duty to prevent it (assuming you had a duty all along).

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Boiseball, you should rejoice in the fact that a player rescued you from what would have obviously been such a painful overtime...take small victories when and where you can get them

Now this sounds like something OldSchool would say.....

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

When dealing with a lower level of play, and suspecting some low basketball i.q, as you put it, I will take my hand and show the defender the invisible wall of the sideline by dropping my raised arm between the defender and thrower. If that isn't enough, I'll say, "Keep behind this." No problems. Usually making the wall is enough for them to get the hint.

I make the motion, sometimes even bending at the waist to reach really low, and really high, and say, "Glass wall". If there are the blank stares, I say, "Understand?" I don't see this as instructing, I see it as self-defense.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I make the motion, sometimes even bending at the waist to reach really low, and really high, and say, "Glass wall". If there are the blank stares, I say, "Understand?" I don't see this as instructing, I see it as self-defense.

Consider this preventative officiating, along with making sure the defender gives some space in a small gym and the thrower's back is to the wall or bleachers.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I make the motion, sometimes even bending at the waist to reach really low, and really high, and say, "Glass wall". If there are the blank stares, I say, "Understand?" I don't see this as instructing, I see it as self-defense.

I can't say I've done this in years. It's a varsity game -- if they don't know not to reach across, I can't help them at this point in their basketball lives.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I can't say I've done this in years. It's a varsity game -- if they don't know not to reach across, I can't help them at this point in their basketball lives.

I don't do it if I think there's any chance they should know better. There are varsity players who probably shouldn't be at that level, but find themselves in over their heads for whatever reason. I don't see any point in sticking it to them for something they've never been told, especially when it's so easy to "preventive officiate".

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I don't do it if I think there's any chance they should know better. There are varsity players who probably shouldn't be at that level, but find themselves in over their heads for whatever reason. I don't see any point in sticking it to them for something they've never been told, especially when it's so easy to "preventive officiate".

Preventatively officiate?

[bigdogrunnin]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I can't say I've done this in years. It's a varsity game -- if they don't know not to reach across, I can't help them at this point in their basketball lives.

I heard Steve Welmer talk at a camp once, and he told how any time a game is still in doubt late in the contest, he simply tells the defender, "do not reach through the endline/sideline. I do not want to have to call a technical foul." Seems to work for him.

As for what I do . . . every time I inbound the ball I make sure the person throwing the ball inbounds knows that the throw-in is a "spot" throw-in or that they may run the endline. (I protect myself, and hopefully prevent a violation on the team inbounding the ball.) As for the defender, if they are applying any pressure, I simply tell them, "Do Not reach through sideline/endline." It doesn't matter the level to me. I do it a little less in the higher levels, but still do it.

[Johnny Ringo]

Any contact with the thrower or the ball is a T, correct?

Now if the thrower has the ball accross the line you can have a personal foul if contact is made or a jump ball if the defender ties it up, correct?

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by boiseball

I hand the ball to the girl to bring the ball in. She kind of drops it and then picks it up and looks up to bring the ball in bounds; suddenly, girl gaurding the inbounds decides to strip her; the ball is more than a foot behind the out of bounds line;

I pause for a second as the ball rolls away and then I blow my whistle and just look in shock

you know the rest of the story; they found the only way they could lose that game in regulation; mind boggeling

Tell us the rest of the story. What did you call and how did you handle it? Reactions?

[Adam]

This is an easy T. Of course, you nearly always have to follow this T by telling the coach that they don't get a warning when they reach across and slap the ball. It's a T on the first (and any subsequent) offense.